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247 Responses to “How to identify asbestos fibro cladding”

1. Dan Says:
   March 1st, 2010 at 6:28 am

   Great website, especially the ID methods using other indicators (like the type of joiners). I was hoping to find pictures and ID methods for all the James Hardie products- Try typing asbestos into their website, just for a laugh. Apparently the stuff doesn’t exist except as a single note in their history as something they phased out in the 80′s.

2. Jeff Says:
   March 2nd, 2010 at 10:27 am

   Thanks Dan.
   Yep Hardies don’t seem to be too helpful when it comes to identifying their older products. However some of the older Hardies product catalogues are available to view at the National Library of Australia, in Canberra(http://www.nla.gov.au). This may be as close as you get to identifying all the different profiles and products and associated items of the period. Unfortunately you can’t view this online, you have to goto the library itself, which means a trip to our capital.

3. Clint Says:
   March 17th, 2010 at 9:13 pm

   Some of the information contained here is not entireley correct and should not be relied upon, rather used as a guide only.

   The ONLY definitive way of correctly identifying asbestos is via microscope examination of the sample material- prepared in accordance with NATA standards.

   It is NOT recommended or accepted practice to verify identification via visual inspection of the pattern -known colloqually as the golf ball method -due to inconsistencies in qualitative judgements and variations in the manufacturing process over many decades of production.

   When in doubt the material must always be treated as asbestos until proven otherwise in a NATA accredited lab. The cost of having a sample analyzed is around the $100-150 mark.

4. Anthony Says:
   March 21st, 2010 at 6:36 pm

   great site,

   I think a lot of people don’t realise Asbestos is in Fibro sheeting. I had a guy out to network out house and I asked for the hub to be placed in the laundry. After reading that asbestos was used in Laundries and Bathrooms I then checked out laundry and the guy did not clean up after him where he had drilled a hole and the pile of dust was sitting there. (awesome) So today was mask and mob and wiping everying down to make sure nothing was left. However the plie of dust had been sitting in the corner nice and settled for the last 10months.

   Great site nice work

5. david Says:
   June 9th, 2010 at 8:10 pm

   can anyone tell me if Fibrolite Drain Pipe 300mm Class 35 has Asbestos in it

6. Mal Says:
   August 1st, 2010 at 8:28 am

   does anyone know if asbestos fibro always used joiners? I think my bathroom has it but the is no joiner. the sheets just but up against one another.

7. Norman Bourne Says:
   August 16th, 2010 at 6:18 am

   I have a Logan Kit home, built around 1982, did Logan Homes, use Fibro sheeting containing asbestos at that time. ..??

8. chris Says:
   August 27th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

   Can anyone shed some light on ceilings in brick and tile homes built
   in 1980 and before

9. Jeff Says:
   August 27th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

   Chris: Plasterboard was the choice material for lounge rooms, bed rooms, kitchens, dining rooms also bathrooms.
   However, you might find asbestos cement(AC) sheeting (Fibrolite and AC Hardiflex) in the ceilings of laundries, toilets and verandahs of these older houses. Be aware that many DIYer’s in the 60′s and 70′s may have used asbestos cement sheeting as the ceiling like my father did in the 1970′s when he renovated the kitchen, complete with asbestos walls and ceilings. It’s still there today.

   The house I’m living in now has asbestos ceilings in the laundry, which was built as an addition in the 1960′s.

   Use caution if you suspect asbestos cement sheeting, take a sample and get it lab tested if in doubt.

10. Paul Larney Says:
    September 2nd, 2010 at 8:45 am

    Is Hardies Villaboard P432/92G V2. does it contain asbestos

11. Ez Says:
    September 3rd, 2010 at 9:21 am

    I am renovating the eaves on a very old shed, it looks as though it has had them done before. My question is, The eaves sheets are bent and hanging down and sagging from the roofline like a sheet of rubber, Would asbestos sheeting bend and sag like this? I was under the impression that it wouldnt but can’t be sure.
    Any help is appreciated. Thanks

12. fred Says:
    September 24th, 2010 at 2:22 am

    asbestos sheets would snap or crack after some time .they dont bend

13. Mike Says:
    November 25th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    I have a ’40s house – cement sheet inside and out. The rafters are at 550 centres and the sheeting on the ceilings sags so much it has pulled the nails in a couple of places. Base on the last post, is this evidence that it is not asbestos?

    Thanks

14. kieron white Says:
    December 6th, 2010 at 10:27 am

    I am thinking of taking Clad brick from my house over Christmas, The cladding was installed late 70s and I am not sure if is containing asbestos. How do I know if it is and will I be safe to remove it using safety clothing and equiptment

15. Jeff Says:
    December 6th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    Hi Kieron,
    Chances are, that is DOES contain asbestos in the form of a asbestos cement sheet backing, as this how is was made in the period (1970′s). Check out the edges or look for a broken corner to see what type of backing it has. Treat it as you would like removing it like any other asbestos cement sheeting. That means disposable overalls, respirator, gloves and boots and hand tools pry bars. But, before you start, calculate the amount square metres you have of the stuff, remembering that in many parts of Australia the law now limits DIYers to only 10m2…so check with local council or State government departments about this.
    If you go ahead yourself, make sure you have plenty of black builders plastic on hand the wrap it up, and choose a non windy day. Try to keep breakage to a minimum, and use a plastic drop sheet to catch any small pieces that may fall on the ground. Spray any broken edges with a PVA glue / water solution. Wrap it all up in the black plastic sealed with tape.

16. Carlo Says:
    December 21st, 2010 at 8:25 am

    does anyone know about the marking on the back of sheets with a green stripe, stating “asbestos free”

17. Nolan Scheid Says:
    February 22nd, 2011 at 12:30 am

    This is not a scientific test but a quick guideline that we have used. If a sheet or board sounds ‘crisp’ when you knock on it with a wrench OR if it breaks with a ‘snap’ we play it safe and assume it has asbestos. We use this guideline when removing suspect boards and also when we are drilling or cutting through it.

    Thank you for the good article. The pictures are helpful.
    Nolan

18. shane morice Says:
    March 1st, 2011 at 1:51 am

    The flexibility of a sheet is no sure indication of asbestos content. Some LDB (low density board)is very flexible and yet is A class abestos. Please don,t assume that because the board sags or bends that it does not have asbestos content. Also, tapping a sheet to hear if it gives of a crisp sound is not a sure test, LDB certainly is not crisp sounding.

19. Nolan Scheid Says:
    March 3rd, 2011 at 10:09 am

    Good and important points Shane.
    Our guess only suggests where we use extra caution but in no way excludes other things that could be asbestos based.

    Best regards,
    Nolan

20. Dianne Wison Says:
    March 12th, 2011 at 10:07 am

    I think I may have asbestos in my meter box, but am not sure, it is a brown color with the word ASBESTO on the back, I am not “wanting” it to be, but does anyone know please ??? All the house wiring is attached to or through the sheet.

21. Jeff Says:
    March 12th, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    Hi Dianne, many old houses have asbestos based backing boards in the electricity meter box. These boards often had trade names of “Lebah”, “Ausbestos”, “Zelminite”. As with most asbestos building products, the danger is when someone starts drilling or cutting it, thus releasing asbestos fibres. If left alone, it poses only small hazard.
    I should point out also, this is something you can’t replace yourself due to regulations regarding mains power 240vac which must be done by a qualified electrician. Make sure you tell your electrician that the board may contain asbestos and take all the necessary precautions when working on it.
    Jeff.

22. Erin Says:
    March 16th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    Hi,
    I have recently moved into a rental and that has fibro walls inside, and under the eaves and also under the carport. Drains and downpipes are also suspected to be the old asbestos style. Just wondering how safe it actually is? With young children I am very worried, inside the house is in ok condition only nail
    Sized holes throughout. Also the eaves and under the carport the fibro sheets have been painted and the paint is peeling off, is there a safe way to clean this? The paint flakes are constantly falling off and I would rather get rid of it of at all possible. Thanks!

23. Jeff Says:
    March 17th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    HI Erin,

    This is a valid concern. Inside the house would generally be quite safe, the fibro walls are probably painted which seals in the asbestos fibres. If you’re concerned about the nail size holes, these can easily sealed with PVA wood working glue.

    The peeling paint under carport and eaves is more of a worry. There is potential for the peeling paint to dislodge some of the asbestos fibres as the paint peels and/or loosen the asbestos fibres from the asbestos cement matrix, which then can be blown around by wind.

    Ideally this old asbestos cement sheeting should be replaced with new sheeting. However, since it’s a rental property, this may not appeal to the property owner and a more practical solution must be found. Sealing and painting the eaves & carport is the next best thing to do. Care must be taken in the preparation of sheeting prior to painting. Using a scraper or high pressure cleaner must be avoided, as this will release asbestos fibres. Water blasting AC sheeting may also be illegal in some states of Australia also. Best would be to use a sealer/ binder straight over the peeling paint using a roller and paint brush. After that a good coat of paint should finish the job. Regards Jeff.

24. Deb Says:
    March 26th, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    Hi Jeff
    What an informative site this is. After reading all the above comments I feel I know a little more about this horrid stuff. I am really thankful that one of your readers bought up the question of how to clean this stuff, as I hit everything with the water pressure gun. Lucky we built our house in the last 5 years.
    ‘I am Looking at investing in an old set of units and in the contract it states that is has asbestos cladding.
    Is it costly to remove. ?
    Is it legal to sell a property clad in asbestos?
    If the cladding is asbestos , I suppose the wet areas and eves and possibly roof will also be . I am starting to think that it will be a health trap.

    Also is hebel power panel / Blocks a safe product, as we built our house with it?

    Cheers and thanks in advance Deb

25. Jeff Says:
    March 29th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    HI Deb, thanks for reading. Yep, asbestos cement sheeting is one thing you don’t want to hit with the high pressure water gun …and could get you into hot water with the authorities in some states.

    Is asbestos expensive to remove?

    It depends on the size of the job. If you’re replacing an asbestos roof for example, not only are you paying for the cost of pulling up and disposing of the asbestos cement sheets, but you also are paying for recladding with new sheeting such as metal / zincalume (or tiles). The same goes for recladding of exterior walls. Take into account asbestos must be replaced in a safe manner (as per worksafe regulations) and the cost of disposal of asbestos will be greater than non asbestos material.

    Some smaller jobs may be done yourself such as a toilet or bathroom, but remember you’ll be limited to disposal of 10m2 of asbestos sheeting at any one time in most states of Australia.

    Is it legal to sell a property clad in asbestos?

    Yes it is. But you’ll probably need a duty of disclosure pointing out the specific areas of the property that contain asbestos. Or if you’re potential buyer of an older property, expect a report from an qualified person that the property does or does not contain asbestos.

    If exterior cladding is asbestos, will the wet areas, eves and roof also be asbestos?

    There is a good chance that the bathroom / toilet will have a wet area asbestos sheeting such as Hardies “Tilux”. Also a good chance the eves will be asbestos sheeting (if it has eves at all). It may or may not have an asbestos roof. Plenty of fibro buildings had sheet metal and tiled roofs as well.

    Hebel power panels do not contain asbestos.

    Hope this helps…Jeff.

26. nathan Says:
    April 5th, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    Hi Jeff,

    you seem to know alot on the topic.. i was exposed about two years ago and im now trying to be very cautious! do you know if fibrolite storm water pipe below groung would contain asi? i suspect it does but would like your opinion. the block of flats was built early to mid 70′s in western suburbs of melbourne, Vic. any info you or anyone else have would be grately appreciated! cheers

27. Jeff Says:
    April 5th, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    Hi Nathan, It’s quite possible it was asbestos cement pipe, as this was widely used during the 1970′s period for sewage and storm water pipe (and other uses). If the exposure was in a workplace situation you may want write down some specific details of the time, date, place and exactly what happened …just in case you need to make a claim sometime in the future. Did you manage to get a sample of the pipe?
    Regards Jeff.

28. Mel Says:
    April 23rd, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    Hi jeff –
    Thanks for a great site. I live in a rental house and it has an addition which seem to have both fibro and fake brick cladding. This addition has been my bedroom for five years and the house has not been remodeled since the 70′s. The addition has been slowly sinking into the back yard making the walls stressed and many have cracked and broken. What is the potential health risk to this prolonged exposure? And are there regulations about landlords needing to fix / repair / replace such items?

    Thanks for your help.

29. Jeff Says:
    April 24th, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    Hi Mel, The 1970′s addition would likely be asbestos cement or fibro, the fake brick cladding is also likely to have an asbestos cement backing. Breakage of asbestos cement sheeting can release asbestos fibres into air. The potential health risk is probably low due to slow craking process, but no doubt some fibres would be released over time. The larger cracks could be sealed with a PVA wood working glue (dries clear) which might be worth doing.

    As far as I know, there are no regulations for maintenance or up keep of asbestos cement sheeting such as fences or walls for private dwellings unless there is some clear structural damage. Bear in mind, each local authority across Australia can make their own regulations for such things and may vary from council to council.

30. Neale Says:
    April 27th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    Jeff,a friend has a house ,highset, timber champher board upstairs with downstairs mainly cladded with what I think is Shadowline cladding around the exterior downstairs perimeter.She wants to have a doorway cut into the cladding downstairs for another entry point.What is needed to have this done?Does it require a qualified asbestos removal accredited tradesman ?

31. david Says:
    May 2nd, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    hi i have renovated two housed one of which i think i removed about 20 square meters of asbestos before i knew what it was. unfortunately i wasnt waring anything to protect me. im not a hypocondriact but was wondering if there is anything i should do… should i see a doctor??? fortunatly on the second reno i got a bit more clued up and even though i am farely confident it was cement sheeting i still treated it as asbestos. would there be symptoms two years on if i did get a bit of the stuff into me??

32. Marie Says:
    May 3rd, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    Hi there,
    we have a 1985 built brick home. In the corner of the lounge was a Kent wood stove thing which was standing on bricks that had been cemented together and laid down over the top of the existing carpet….weird I know. When we removed the bricks we found they had been sitting on (and glued to) a grey sheet of fibro. Some bricks that had been glued to the fibro came away from the fibro sheet taking a layer of fibro with them and leaving layers of fibro behind. We’ve been told that when you see layers like this in fibro sheeting (sort of looks like those wafer biscuits) that it indicates that it is the modern fibro sheeting made of cellulose fibre rather than asbestos. Is this true?
    Thanks.

33. Jeff Says:
    May 3rd, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    Hi, I’d head off to your local GP to get a referral from a specialist. Depending how long ago the exposure was, asbestos related diseases can take a while to appear…if at all. The specialist will probably have you do a chest X-ray and / or a blood test (blood tests are often used to identify asbestos related diseases).
    To make you feel better… my father (who smoked) trimmed a stack of super six fencing in the 1970′s without protection, and he’s going strong into his 80′s.

34. Jeff Says:
    May 3rd, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    Hi Marie,
    It could be difficult to guess what you’ve there…the mid eighties was a cross over point to celluose based cement sheeting and away from asbestos. Some early celluose sheeting may have also had asbestos fibres contained in them to use up the remainig stock pile of asbestos.
    You could take a close look at it with a magnifying glass to see any clumps of fibres…however the only definitive way to identify asbestos in cement sheeting is by laboratory analysis.

    As it’s associated with a wood stove (and asbestos was quite often used in high temperature places like this) I’d recommend it be treated as containing asbestos just to be on the safe side. Paint over the bricks with PVA based glue and place the bricks in plastic bags and seal them…along with sheet for proper disposal.

    Jeff.

35. ric martin Says:
    May 4th, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    interested,working in mansfield vic area plenty of shadowline and pinkish flat fibro?

36. Marie Says:
    May 5th, 2011 at 7:34 am

    Hi Jeff,
    Thanks so much for the good advice….which I will take. Better to be safe. Marie.

37. loretta Says:
    May 7th, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    Hi If I send you some pictures could you identify for me if they are asbestos, I have just purchased an older workers cottage dated 1910, and the main room has sheeting but I ‘m really not sure if it is asbestos as it has a very old fireplace and the room looks in original condition. The other areas in the main part of they house are lathe and plaster. Is it dangerous to regyprock over the asbestos I would put up picture rails so that there would be no need to put up picture hooks. I have worked out gyprock is used in other on the outside of the house. hoping you may be of assistance. Kind regards Loretta

38. tracey Says:
    May 10th, 2011 at 8:09 am

    i have an old timber house with a added on bathroom that i’m positive uses Tilux, even in the immediate shower area. most of it is a light blue colour but in the ‘wet’ areas it’s grey and patchy and rough. if you try to clean it down the cloth pulls off flakey bits which could just be built up dirt. is it possible the Tilux itself is degrading, or is it simply the outer coating peeling off? i will eventually be creating a new bathroom elsewhere but in the meantime is this one ok as is? thanks

39. Jeff Says:
    May 10th, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    Hi Tracey, I know Tilux well as I have it in my bathroom also. Chances are, it is Tilux as you suspect… being an older timber framed house is was a popular product at the time for such wet areas. It looked good, was water resistant and cost effective not to mention easy to maintain. Tilux is pretty tough stuff but it can be cracked or chipped, the surface is quite wear resistant but it’s possible what you have there is the result of some over zealous cleaning. Take some photo’s and email them thru if you like…In any case it doesn’t sound too good if that is exposed asbestos cement sheet. A temporary solution maybe to paint it with a teflon based paint. Regards, Jeff.

40. Jeff Says:
    May 10th, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    Hi Lorretta, sure send thru the pics. Covering over the asbestos sheeting like you say is an option. One thing in it’s favour is it doesn’t disturb the existing sheeting therefore reduces the risk of releasing any asbestos fibres. On the down side, the asbestos cement sheeting is still in the wall making it a potential hazard to any future renovators or tradesmen unaware there is asbestos beneath the gyprock. Regards Jeff.

41. Shane Says:
    May 11th, 2011 at 6:25 am

    Could you tell me if there is a list available anywhere of all products used in wall cladding, soffits and bathroom sheets in the building industry.

42. Nicole Says:
    May 13th, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    hi,
    we live in a house built in 1950. it has textured ceiling and walls. we have fixed a few small cracks so far but now we have a crack that when my husband started to look at the top layer of celing came crumblong down. theres not a hole or anything, just like a layer came off… what are the chances of it having asbestos and what can i do with out calling the pros and spending a fortune?? thanks

43. Belinda Says:
    June 1st, 2011 at 9:06 am

    Great information – thanks!
    The house I’m renovating has (almost certainly) asbestos internal walls in the bathroom and kitchen. I’m considering cladding these walls which will seal in the old panels, but to achieve a solid flat wall I think I would need to remove the wooden battens covering the joins between the existing fibro panels. What are the risks in removing the battens? Should I just let them be?

44. Jeff Says:
    June 1st, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    Hi, Belinda,

    Battens like this were commonly used to cover the join between plaster board and Tilux or plain asbestos sheet …and simply were nailed on.

    It shouldn’t be too hard to pry the battens off with a jemmy bar or hammer. The main concern is breaking the asbestos sheeting with unwanted realease of fibres…so go gently! and use a support under hammer such as thin piece of wood to spread the load.

    Sure enough, your likely to get some breakage around the edges of the asbestos sheeting…so be prepared with a suitable dust mast, black plastic sheet taped to the bottom of the wall and some PVA glue to seal the edges.

    Seal the edges with PVA glue even if you don’t get breakage just for good measure. Another thing you might want to do is attach warning labels to the asbestos sheeting before you cover it with new lining as a warning for future renovators (which may not know of the asbestos underneath).

    Jeff.

45. Julie Says:
    June 16th, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    Hi Jeff. We have an asbestos cladded house which looks like ridged wood across ways. To update the look is it possible to blue board on the outside? My husband was then concerned with nail the blue board onto the cladding etc? I have also had a friend who used an insulating company the process i think insuclad? then they pump foam between the walls and then render? would this be a better way to update the outside or get rid of the asbestos all together, im looking for the cheaper solution if you can assist in anyway

46. Gee Says:
    June 21st, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    Hi Jeff and Everyone,

    We have an old hot water service in the roof space. We suspect it was installed when the house was built in the early 1960s. The hot water pipe coming out of the unit is insulated with a brownish colored cladding that looks like wool. Would the cladding contain asbestos? Should we do anything about it? Anyone else have anything similar? Thank You.

47. Jeff Says:
    June 21st, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    Hi Gee, you’re rightly concerned about the insulation around the pipes. Asbestos lagging was quite common around hot water pipes, particularly for commercial and industrial application such as steam pipes and boilers, though it occasionally pops up in residential situations also.

    What you have got there could be asbestos lagging, but keep in mind it may some form of glass wool fibre also. Considering, loose asbestos (also know as friable asbestos) is especially dangerous due to the fact the fibres are not bonded together as they are in asbestos cement sheeting, any wind draft for example could conceivably release asbestos fibres into the roof space!

    Your first step would be to ascertain whether or not it is asbestos. You can either take a sample yourself (be careful doing this) and then have it lab tested, or have a professional come in for an assessment.

    Removal: Check with your local or state authority first as friable asbestos may need to be removed by a qualified person.

48. Jeff Says:
    June 21st, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    Hi Julie, covering asbestos cement sheeting is an option to consider, however doing this never rids the house of asbestos. Future renovators or tradesmen may unfortunately be at risk if exposed to asbestos fibres if for example they are drilling or cutting and hit the underlying asbestos. If you do decide to cover the asbestos, place some warning signs for future renovators or tradesmen.
    My preference would be to remove the asbestos once and for all.

    Confirm first the material IS asbestos, if it’s not, then there is no problem.

    Jeff.

49. Gee Says:
    June 22nd, 2011 at 9:04 am

    Thanks for the info Jeff,

    After further investigation, we believe the lagging is hessian tape. A plumber friend tells us it was very commonly used to insulate hot water pipes in Melbourne houses in the 1960s and 1970s. He’s seen it in thousands of houses he’s worked in over the years and suggests it isn’t a problem. While the hot water pipe hasn’t been disturbed for many years, we’ll probably get it removed for peace of mind. Thanks.

50. Mark Says:
    June 23rd, 2011 at 10:54 am

    Hi Jeff,
    Congrats on a very informative guide to identification and all things related.

    As a Builder I have come across many jobs with asbestos cladding internal and external and as such, have had the unpleasant task of safely removing it for disposal.

    For all the DIY’s considering removal of asbestos, DO NOT skimp on personal safety. Yes the disposable suits, gloves, rubber boots, safety googles and mask may be uncomfortable, but ask yourself this when you think “She’ll be right”, do I want a lifetime of asbestos related health issues?

    If in any doubt, have it checked out using the methods outlined on this website. I have been using these same methods for years and yet have only just come across this site whilst researching another product.

    I have also noticed over the years that most asbestos cladding in my area has a bluish tinge to it when viewing breaks on areas such as your 1st and 4th photos in the Fasteners and Joiners section.

    Kind Regards
    Mark
    Builder, South East of SA

51. Catherine Says:
    June 23rd, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    Dear Jeff,

    Hope you can help me, we have an old farm cottage in Northern NSW built sometime in the 20′s or 30′s or earlier , it has cement sheeting inside and out , was Asbestos sheeting used back then? and if so could I send through some photos too for you to check?

52. geoff Says:
    July 2nd, 2011 at 7:14 am

    Can anyone tell me if old versilux(from the seventies is hard and breaks like old fibrolite?

53. Karen Says:
    July 3rd, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    Is there any way for me to safely remove several layers of peeling paint and clean mould off the fibro bathroom walls of a house built by the NSW Housing Dept in 1964?

    Also is there any way to work out if the kitchen is also lined with asbestos containing fibro? It doesn’t have the battens covering the joins like the bathroom and laundry do but I am still worried about pulling out the old kitchen.

54. Haylie Says:
    July 27th, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    Hi Jeff,
    My house is a 1983 brick veneer, we discovered a slow leak in our ensuite and decided that an overhaul was in order. Knowing that the early 80′s was a grey area I made my hubby consult a local Asbestos removal company who told us to take the precautions. He wore all the gear, overalls, P2 mask, gloves, goggles and boots. Room was sealed off and walls were wet down. Breaking the sheets could not be avoided unfortunately. He sprayed everything with a PVA water mix before wrapping them in black plastic and also sprayed down the room.

    I still cannot help but worry as there still even taking all these precautions that there is dust around! Our good friend who is also a builder had a look at the walls and identified them as DEFINATELY villaboard,but i’m still not satisfied!

    Have we done everything possible? What should I do to clean up the remaining mess? I should probably add that we are not living in the house at the moment until reno’s are complete and having two small children want it to be as safe as possible.

    Thanks!

55. Mum Says:
    July 27th, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    Hi, I have a 17 year old who was asked by the boss to demolish a wall outside their work premsis as they were doing some renos. So being the kids first real paid job he did as he was instructed. I now believe the the wall he was asked to demolish contains asbestos. There was no mention of asbestos and no protective measures were taken. Where in Queensland can I get a sample tested.

56. Jeff Says:
    July 27th, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    Hi Mum, check the list of Queensland asbestos testing laboratories here:

    http://asbestosremovalguide.com/asbestos-labs/

    Also, you might want to grab a representative sample of the material your son was working with, while you can (be aware that the demolition may be on private property and you do not have a right of entry). Bag the sample in a clear plastic bag, and write the date and location on the bag.

    Being a workplace situation, there are strict OH&S rules laid down by the Queensland Government in relation to working with asbestos. Consult the nearest Queensland Worksafe office ASAP, as this is within their scope.

    http://www.deir.qld.gov.au/workplace/

    Hope it’s not asbestos.

    Jeff.

57. Jeff Says:
    July 27th, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    Hi Haylie, From what you tell me your husband has done an extremely thorough and professional job of asbestos removal in your ensuite.

    Spraying down with water and PVA solution is the way to go to keep the dust to a minimum. Also good job with sealing off the room to prevent any leakage into the rest of the house. Well done.

    If your husband hasn’t already, then the final cleanup should be to wipe everything down with a damp cloth including any ledges where dust can settle, and wet sweet the floor. Do it twice if you want to make sure.

    If your still not satisfied, then you can take dust samples using Lab wipe down swabs and submit them for laboratory analysis.

    Otherwise looks safe.

    Jeff.

58. Mum Says:
    July 27th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    Jeff, thanks for feedback. He did get a sample on the day and put it in ziplock bag. I did have it identified by a WHSO as asbestos. But I wanted lab tested.

59. Haylie Says:
    July 27th, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    Thanks Jeff, you have given me the assurance I needed, he did wet sweep the floor It is hard to tell if the dust is even from the ensuite as we have also taken carpets up in 3 rooms so it is probably just from the slab lol, I will still ensure it is cleaned thoroughly with a damp cloth. I’m overly cautious if that is even possible when it comes to asbestos.

    Great site by the way!!

60. Ray Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 6:49 am

    Thank you for providing such a useful and well written resource to the public. I run a skip rental business and I frequently get asked by customers if they can put fibro cement sheeting in a skip bin and there seem to be a lot of missconceptions about when the use of asbestos in building products ceased.

61. Jeff Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 10:33 am

    Asbestos waste should not be placed in general purpose rubbish skips as this may result in your rubbish being rejected or being charged a clean up fee at the landfill site.

    Always ask specifically for an asbestos skip bin, as not all companies have these. The asbestos waste is taken to a landfill site made especially for asbestos disposal (and other toxic substances).

    Jeff.

62. Shell Says:
    August 6th, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    Hi Jeff,
    We are about to undertake a kitchen renovation and thought we would start with ripping up the tiles. They are ceramic but are attached to some sort of cement like sheeting. The house is a small Queenslander with VJ walls and tin roof. I wasn’t expecting any asbestos, but now a bit concerned as we took up quite a few tiles before thought we should stop and check.

    I can’t find many details on asbestos sheeting for floor tiles? We will probably err on the side of caution and remove with the required protective clothing, double bagging, cleaning etc. but would like to know if I’m just being overly cautions? Luckily the house is empty so should be able to decontaminate without too many worries if it is asbestos.

63. Dominic Says:
    August 7th, 2011 at 8:40 am

    Hi Jeff,
    I pulled a tile off the bathroom wall, and worried a bit when I saw what was underneath. Some type of fibro cement sheeting broke off. The pattern is the same on the back as the “hardi-flex” in the photos above. Should I be worried (maybe I can send you a photo?)?

64. Megan Says:
    August 7th, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    Hi Jeff,

    We recently bought a house which has been clad in cement sheeting that has been molded to look like weatherboards, I assume the previous owners may have done the cladding sometime in the 80′s. Just wondering if you know if they made this type of cladding with asbestos? We have noticed a few blue fibres poking through where it gets a pelting from the weather.

65. Jeff Says:
    August 7th, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    Hi Shell,

    It sounds like what you have there is fibre cement underlay.

    This has been the preferred method of laying ceramic tiles on wooden floors, especially when it comes to renovating older houses where the floor boards can be uneven.

    This method has gained popularity over the last 15 years or so where traditionally many older wooden houses tended to have lino installed.

    Fortunately, the modern fibre cement underlay is asbestos free, however, asbestos sheet has been known to be laid down in the 1970′s or early 80′s to serve as ceramic tile underlay.

    If it’s asbestos then you’ll need to take extra care and it may be wise have sample inspected before you proceed.

    If you can find out when the floor tiles were laid down, this would be helpful. Anything up to 1985 would most certainly contain asbestos.

    Jeff.

66. Jeff Says:
    August 7th, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    Hi Dominic,

    Well done for being cautious when you saw the fibre sheeting.

    Difficult to say if it’s asbestos or not, but one clue in the age when the tiles where put on. Anything up to 1985 would most likely contain asbestos.

    For positive identification, take a sample to either a laboratory or ask your nearest asbestos removalist.

    Jeff.

67. Jeff Says:
    August 7th, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    Hi Megan,

    This sounds like “HardiPlank”, a product made by Hardies. From what I know, HardiPlank was manufactured in the early 1980′s and contained asbestos. It was later manufactured without the asbestos (using cellulose fibre) however retained the same name.

    This makes it difficult to distinguish between asbestos version and modern cellulose version.

    It’s possible, the asbestos version has the words “Contains asbestos” printed on the back, though this would mean removing a plank to inspect.

    Asbestos HardiPlank came in widths of 170mm, 220mm and 300mm which may help you.

    It’s probably easier to take a sample to your nearest laboratory that does asbestos identification, as this is the only positive way to be sure. This will greatly assist you making a decision rather dealing with an unknown.

    The fibres you describe sure sounds a bit sus though.

    Jeff.

68. Shell Says:
    August 8th, 2011 at 1:49 am

    Thanks Jeff,
    We went back yesterday with all the right equipment but after a couple of hours bagging we agreed best left to the professionals. I don’t know how people can do it for a living as I was stuffed after a short time in the mask and safety glasses. We left the sealed bags we had done along with a bag with the used safety gear inside the house and called the professionals. I dread to think how much this will now cost to fix. Just hope we haven’t damaged our health too much.

    Shell

69. Shell Says:
    August 8th, 2011 at 1:53 am

    Forgot to say not sure when the tiles were laid but suspect the late 70′s by the age of the kitchen. Shell

70. jamie Says:
    August 8th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    Hey jeff,

    I’m restoring a house of 1970s era. Removing an internal wall and ceiling.

    We have started to look at the roof sheets and they look like gyprock but have a fibrous inside to them. Does this sound like asbestos?

    It’s in a back room on the house which has been built on, the exterior walls are solid brick, just the ceiling im worried about.

    Could I send you photos?

    Cheers Jamie

71. Jeff Says:
    August 8th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    Hi Jamie,

    Send them through. My email address is:

    jeff@asbestosremovalguide.com

72. Carly Says:
    August 10th, 2011 at 8:59 am

    Hi Jeff,

    We have a ex NSW department of Housing house built in 1963 and it is cladded in 3 different types of painted cladding. We are wanting to reclad the house and are wondering. Is it safe to reclad over the existing cladding. We have spoken to a few tradies and they have all said it is fine to do. We have removed a few walls inside the house and all of the panels had the big green Asbestos free stamp on the underside of them even in our bathroom and laundry. My husband and father have been very careful with it and carried out all removals properly. We do not want to get the old cladding removed if it is asbestos as i have been told the costs are massive.
    What would your advice been on this matter?
    Thanks

73. Jeff Says:
    August 10th, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    Hi Carly,

    Thanks for reading. Well done for taking precautions and noting the ‘asbestos free’ stamp on the back of the sheeting, a relief to see those words. Presumably this was retro-fitted sometime in the mid 1980′s. If the house is 1963 vintage then be on the alert for the original asbestos sheeting such as Hardies Fibrolite or the Wunderlich equivalent Durabestos.

    Yes, there is no problem recladding over the existing sheeting. this would be the cheapest option.

    The issue with this option is that the asbestos sheet is still there and may pose a risk to any future renovators or tradesmen when working and are unaware of it.

    Ideally, you should put a few warning labels or notices around where they can be seen. As far as I know there is no legal requirement to put these notices there, but it’s probably a good idea.

    Jeff.

74. james marsden Says:
    August 11th, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    Hi Jeff,
    I’m currently renovating my bathroom an am unsure if the sheeting contains asbestos. Stamped on the back is
    ” Villaboard us 81 N” house was built roughly late 1970′s early 80′s and is in qld and is a lowset brick.
    thanks
    James Marsden

75. Troy Scott Says:
    August 16th, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    Hi Jeff,
    Thanks for the informative site. I have started a reno on my bathroom – knocked off some tiles to try to identify the sheeting. It is coloured pink and has Wunderlich 9 214 D on the back.
    After reading your site and also coming across a story on the net about Bruce Stafford getting mesothelioma after cutting some pink coloured sheeting – its pretty safe to say that my bathroom has asbestos sheeting so I will be taking all precautions.
    What I am flabbergasted at is that after all the legal battles over the last few years and the legal settlement by James Hardie, I can not believe the Government has not legislated that companies make information freely available on their old products that contained asbestos. I can’t believe that the companies do not feel they have a moral obligation to make the information freely available.
    Anyhow – off my soap box and on to researhing where I can dispose of the stuff.
    Cheers

76. Jeff Says:
    August 17th, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    HI Troy

    Thanks for reading. Yup, my bathroom also has asbestos sheeting, specifically Tilux.

    I agree, many of the companies (and their successors) are not particulary forthcoming in making infomation available on past products containing asbestos. If anyone would know what these numbers mean it would be the manufacturers.

    Much identification work has been done by others, including many of the Aussie State Government OHS departments, asbestos removalists and Unions. Quite a few excellent publications have been produced by state government departments on identifying asbestos products.

    High profile legal battles involving asbestos often remind us of the dangers of asbestos, it’s a public awareness health program if ever there was one.

    However, without this constant reminder, people soon forget about asbestos, unaware of it’s dangers and unable to identify it. A young generation of renovators need to know about the dangers of asbestos in older homes, how to identify it, and how to deal with it safely.

    Jeff.

77. Jeff Says:
    August 17th, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    Hi James,

    Villaboard with asbestos was phased out in 1981. I’d treat the Villaboard installed in your bathroom with caution as it may still contain asbestos. Jeff.

78. Grant Says:
    August 18th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    i have a timber home built in around 1940, it has a cladding in the bathroom with a tiled pattern embosed, on the back of the sheets is a dimpled pattern that i believe is an indication of aspestos.
    does anyone know of this type of cladding ???

79. Jeff Says:
    August 21st, 2011 at 10:16 am

    Hi Grant, Sounds very much like Hardies Tilux or its equivalent made by Wunderlich, Duradec. Yes it contains asbestos and treat it with all the necessary precautions as you would with any other asbestos cement sheeting. Jeff.

80. Vicki Says:
    August 22nd, 2011 at 10:58 am

    Hi Jeff, we are looking at a timber home that was built in the mid-1950s – it was an architeturally built home which would have been very modern at the time. A lot of the walls are timber clad but the plain walls do not have the joiners – you can see where the sheeting ends and the next sheet begins – it just seems to curve slightly. Does that make sense? Is there a chance it may not be asbestos? I’m not sure what other products were in use back then.

81. Rob Says:
    August 22nd, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    Thanks for this great site, information like this is rare. I heard that there have been recent changes in NSW that now require removal of asbestos fibro cladding before a renovator can brick over. Is this true? When did this new rule start?

82. Caroline Says:
    August 31st, 2011 at 7:19 am

    This is the best site I have found in my search for answers regarding Asbestos. Thank you so much. I am demolishing an old house built in the late 20′s but renovated and added onto at many different times since then. I have looked at the exposed back of some wall sheeting and found the name Wonderflex. (not wunderflex) Do you know the likelihood of this sheeting containing asbestos? Thanks again for the great info.

83. R Says:
    August 31st, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    Hi all,
    Came across this site and found it to be quite useful.
    My partner and i, are currently renovating a brick home built in the 1970s. We started on the bathroom recently and found that behind the tiles was a layer of concrete, mesh and then pink sheeting that looked in quite good condition possibly installed in the early 90′s.
    Its not until we took more of the tiles of that we saw the name Hardiflex. I initially thought that it would be free of asbestos because it was smooth, no dimples and looked like modern hardiflex. To be safe we got a sample tested in 24hrs by a nata authorised lab following the link above and found that it actually contained chrysotile asbestos. I guess my point is to treat any fibro as possibly containing asbestos and if your going to do any work, get a piece tested, either by having an inspector come out or sampling a piece yourself in a safe manner and by the procedures outlined by the testing lab you choose. I paid $132 because i needed the result back in 24hrs but a least i know now exactly what im dealing with.

84. Jeff Says:
    August 31st, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    Hi Ron, thanks for the comment. Hardiflex is one of the product tradename’s Hardies carried through from the abestos era into the modern cellulose based fibre cement products. It goes to show you have to be careful when coming across later versions of asbestos sheeting.

85. Jeff Says:
    August 31st, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    Hi Caroline, I’ve heard of Wunderflex (asbestos sheeting by Wunderlich) but not by the spelling of “Wonderflex”. I’d love of photo of it if you can (send to jeff@asbestosremovalguide.com). Maybe it was a typing error in the factory? For the time being I’d treat it as containing asbestos until positively identified.
    Jeff.

86. Jeff Says:
    August 31st, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    Hi Rob, thanks for mentioning this. Can anyone give me link to this recent change (if any) I can’t find any reference to this. Jeff.

87. Jeff Says:
    August 31st, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    Hi Vicki, if the sheeting is part of the original structure then it most certainly would be asbestos sheeting. Back in the 1950′s asbestos was the miracle product ( didn’t rot, burn and was termite resistant).
    Other possiblities for the wall are wood based products like ‘Masonite’ or plywood (this would be fairly flexable unlike asbestos sheeting or plasterboard). It may be wise to take small sample to see exactly what your dealing with.

    Jeff.

88. Frank Says:
    September 3rd, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    Hi Jeff,
    I wish I had of read this site earlier. I knocked down a small retro fitted wall in my bathroom this morning. It had pine studs and a black Hardieflex inscription with a series of numbers ending in 93. Hopefully 1993. Did earlier asbestos Hardieflex have such an inscription?

89. Craig Says:
    September 6th, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    Hi Jeff
    Norman left a comment last (16 August 2010) year asking “I have a Logan Kit home, built around 1982, did Logan Homes use Fibro sheeting containing asbestos at that time. ..??” Do you have any info on this as I about to renovate one of the same age?

90. Tim Says:
    September 13th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    Hi Jeff,
    I drilled some holes in a bathroom wall and was worried because 2cm below where I had drilled I realised (from your pics) is Tilux. The Tilux only seems to go half way up the wall then changes to something much softer like old plaster board?(pics below)
    House was built in 1946 but changed a few times.
    Small hole;
    http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa206/sigmundsound/smallhole.jpg
    Larger hole behind a light;
    http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa206/sigmundsound/Largehole.jpg

91. Jeff Says:
    September 13th, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    HI Frank,
    The numbers on Hardies sheeting is still a mystery, only Hardies knows this and keeps it to themselves. Otherwise you’ll have to take a sample to a laboratory for testing.

    Jeff.

92. Jeff Says:
    September 13th, 2011 at 10:55 pm

    Hi Craig,
    Sorry I don’t have any specific info relating asbestos usage in Logan Homes. The 1982 period suggests you should be cautious, as asbestos sheeting may still have been used in it’s contruction. To be sure, take some samples for lab testing or assume it does contain asbestos and treat it very carefully.

    Jeff.

93. Jeff Says:
    September 13th, 2011 at 11:26 pm

    Hi Tim,
    Great close up photos there. Your correct, that’s plasterboard and it’s reinforced with sisal (A natural fibre often used in making rope, twine and string).

    Your bathroom is very typical combination of lower section Tilux and upper section of plasterboard perhaps with a wooden batten in between.

    My bathroom is like this.

    The Tilux contains asbestos and should be treated with extreme caution when working with it or removing it.

    The plasterboard is user friendly and is non hazardous. Watchout for electrical cables when drilling.

    Jeff.

94. P Greg Says:
    September 27th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    A great article, and what I have found works quite well is using lots of vaseline jelly near nails, keeping a room very very wet and having a fine spray mist going constantly, keeping a drop sheet in the room and always planning a removal thoroughly. There are so many variables I think its much better to get an expert in to do the job. A very important step also is to throw out everything that can hold any fibres at all, and wash down any tools very thoroughly

95. Alison Says:
    September 29th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    Hi there,

    We have recently purchased a hoome built around the 1950′s. It is an asbestos fibre cladding home with plasterboard walls internally.
    There is an obselete asbestos flue in the roof which we intend of getting rid of professionally.

    The bathroom has similar blue coloured floor tiles as depicted in your photo. Is there anything we need to worry about if we were to re-tile the bathroom in the future? From what I can remember about the house, the walls have tiles on them so I’m unsure as to what the walls are like.

    Would it also mean we would have to be careful if we were to drill holes through the inside of the walls? There was an extension built in 1999, would this likely contain asbestos fibre walls?

    Thanks

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97. Tracy Says:
    October 12th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Hi, I deffinitely have sheeting in my bathroom that contains asbestos – it is marked as such. The board under my shower was cracked and repaired probably during construction. Now my shower floor is leaking downstairs and I need to remove and replace at least 1 sheet that will have to be cut. We are retiling the whole bathroom thereby removing all tiles will stripping the tiles up require full safety precautions. I read somewhere that only more than 10m of sheeting needs to be removed by a professional. If I have a tradesman that is prepared to wear all safety gear and knows the process for removal is it safe to remain in the house while it is being done. Apparently you can exhaust fan the air out the window however I don’t think that would be a good idea releasing into atmosphere. Have also seen quote for removal around $65/hr or $20/m².

98. Jamie Says:
    October 17th, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    Hi Jeff

    I’m based in New Zealand, we have a 1970s house. Unfortunately I’ve recently learnt about the dangers of asbestos after I’d drilled/jigsawed a 100mm hole (2 weeks ago) into our eaves to install some ventilation for our dryer. I did this without knowing/taking any of the precautions (part way through I used a R95 mask, which is less than the recommended P2/P3). I’ve since had a sample inspected and found that it does contain asbestos.

    2 years ago I had removed the internal wall linings/gib from a bedroom to install wall insulation (same house). I’m now wondering if the internal wall lining contained asbestos – as you can imagine the removal created a huge dusty mess.

    I’ve recently identified 2 other areas on our property that most likely contain asbestos (old shed roofing, hot water pipe lagging – I wouldn’t have even considered this, and we’ve had plumbers work in this area who’ve mentioned nothing). I’m getting an asbestos professional in this week to inspect.

    I’m sure this must happen to a lot of people, who just don’t know. I’ve been beating myself up about this for the past week. Mostly because we have a 2 year old son, and I hadn’t worn any protective clothing, or protected the house etc. I’m sure I’d handled him during that time, and I’ve washed clothes with dust on etc.

    What’s done is done, I can only hope that in our case nothing untoward happens in the future.

    To your readers that have old houses (ie. < 1990) and are doing renovations, I'd recommend reading up, consulting with professionals, and not take anything for granted before doing the work.

    I'd also say that a lot of these renovation shows/magazines/building stores should be displaying more prominent warnings about the dangers of asbestos in older homes, and where to find professional advice.

    Thanks

99. Jeff Says:
    October 19th, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    Hi Jamie,
    Thanks for sharing your renovating experience in New Zealand. I’m sure your right when you say other people are unaware of the dangers of asbestos when doing DIY renovation in NZ. I’m not sure how well government authorities educate home owners about this very real danger in NZ… I’ll be interested doing more research into New Zealand asbestos situation at some stage now you bring my attention it.
    Interesting you mention the plumbers didn’t notice the asbestos either, as this is something they ought to know about, since they are likely to come across asbestos products from time to time. eg. drilling into asbestos sheet and even worst, old asbestos lagging around hot water or steam pipes Possibly they were unware as well,, which is a worry.

    One of the problems with asbestos, is people easily forget about it. If it weren’t for high profile court cases which highlight the dangers of asbestos exposure then nobody would care.

    Certainly renovations magazines should address this issue, yes.

    Regards, Jeff

100. Jeff Says:
     October 19th, 2011 at 6:45 pm

     Hi Tracy,
     Good luck with your bathroom renovation.
     Good to see you identified the asbestos sheeting, and words “asbestos” on the back of the sheeting makes it a really easy identification process, which is often half the battle and worry.

     Turning on the fan will create a negative pressure in the bathroom, thereby making sure any lose asbestos fibres don’t drift into other parts of the house. Negative pressue techinique is used in stripping out asbestos lagging on steel beams on multistorey buildings prior to demolition or renonvation, but in your small bathroom I’m wondering it might stir up the dust even more… and also not to mention the issue of exhausting the air to the outside which could expose the neighbours. Like you say, don’t use the fan, not a good idea in this circumstance.

     If you can, avoid cutting any asbestos sheeting. Try to replace the entire asbestos sheet with modern cellulose equivalent …and then cut that sheet to size and shape.

     Measure up how much sheeting you’ve got, you may be able to DIY this if you’re under the 10m2 limit and take all the safety precautions of course.
     Regards, Jeff.

101. Jon Says:
     October 20th, 2011 at 8:28 pm

     Thanks Jeff for a great site!

     My personal unfortunate exposure reads like a comedy of errors.

     It started with our home kitchen tiles from when I was born..then school floor tiles.

     Next came our home roof tiles…they were flat asbestos tiles I would scrape the tiles clean..getting rid of moss and lichens..did this every year…for about 5 years (year about 1976 aged
     Then my next exposure came at 11 years when my dad wanted me to help him hold big corrugated sheets of asbestos while he sawed them size for a shed roof he was building…I remember being covered in the white stuff like snow.

     I would like to say that was that but no there was more…
     At school we had Asbestos aprons and gloves..in Home Economics..

     At age 35 I was told to repair lagging on water pipes in a well known bakery factory….I was suspicious despite the reassurances of the supervisor that it was not asbestos…yet after getting the OHS company rep to get it tested it was friable types of asbestos…the scary thing is the rep was told to go quiet and i was threatened with the loss of my job….these pipes were throughout the factory/bakery where people were standing and walking…. I left soon after and thankfully the factory closed not long after that..yet it had been around for many many years.

     I remember the supervisor’s retort about my concerns..he said well “all cars and trucks had asbestos brakes…so it wont hurt you !”

     Further on and again asbestos has crossed my path..but this time affecting my family..gee i really hate the stuff these days…I bought our house in 2002….I read the building report and saw no reference to the house having asbestos..but guess what…I was drilling the eaves putting up an outside light..but it was tough going the sheet was very hard…I remember our first born had crawled over to see what daddy was doing and was at thebottom of the ladder..I didnt notice her…and she got some of the dust…at the time I didnt know it was asbestos…later I was lifting up the tiles near the eaves and spotted an Asbestos sticker…Grrrrr I was so angry at this I called the Building Inspector and asked him to pay for the removal of the asbestos or pay for us to move house again…as it was his fault he had not picked this up…however he said he didnt have to look for asbestos and therefore by law he was in the clear..unfortunately at the time 2002..he was right…I fumed..had the rest of the house tested and found more asbestos above the windows and doors and in the bathroom walls.

     It annoys me terribly that my young daughter was exposed at such a young age with no one being held accountable.
     Further asbestos was found when we removed a wood fire..underneath its tiling sat a huge heavy sheet of asbestos…I couldnt believe there was more in this house.

     I plan to remove this asbestos and rid our family of further risk..

     Lately another scare where I have worked has found old asbestos floor tiles used as packing for a false floor..its been there for years…the area has positive pressure and the air is circulated…

     Asbestos is surely a curse of which no one wants to take responsibility for.

     You may or may not know that Asbestos exposure can cause Autoimmune Disease…I now have several Autoimmune disease..which is extremely rare as has my brother who also had similar exposures.
     Autoimmunity runs in families but still needs an environmental trigger…I think Asbestos could be me and my brothers trigger.

     http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1253732/
     Asbestos and Autoimmunity
     “Based on the correlation between asbestos-related disease and ANA levels, the results suggest that asbestos is an agent of systemic autoimmunity and that autoimmune responses may play a role in the progression of asbestos-related diseases, according to the authors”

     http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18569382
     “These data demonstrate that asbestos leads to immunologic changes consistent with the development of autoimmunity.”

     I hate asbestos !

     So conversely I love this site and the information it provides to prevent further suffering…Cheers

     Jon

102. Kylie Says:
     October 28th, 2011 at 7:58 am

     Hi,
     Thank you so much for all this information, it wouldn’t be much of a task to find someone we know that has been affected, exposed or has asbestos in their home.
     I too made the mistake of knocking out a small wall in our 1950′s fibro and drilling two holes in the laundry wall, ironically to install a first aid kit, without any protection and without knowing what I was dealing with.
     In our new home which is a 1920’s cottage I did not have the same asbestos fears until I came across some suspicious debris in the yard. A panic attack followed, then jumping online to work out whether I was over reacting. It’s likely that this debris is the newer ‘Hardipank’ as there were late 80’s/early 90’s renovations completed by the previous owner and now understanding that the new product is very similar to the old one despite being non toxic.
     This information should be so widely broadcast that its impossible to miss! Younger people buying their first home may not know what to look for (I didn’t). Recently in SA there was a home explosion where the nearby residents may be affected by debris, but still no information on what it actually is or what it looks like or what to do!
     My fear now is that asbestos related disease will increase significantly with the older 1950’s, 60 through to 80’s homes becoming in need of repair and more people trying to save $$$ will attempt it themselves without all the info.
     Cheers
     Kylie

103. Kris Says:
     November 2nd, 2011 at 1:07 pm

     Hi, really excellent site and I wish I had come across it six weeks ago. Whilst removing kitchen units in my older style (must be before 70′s at least) house I damaged some of the kitchen sheeting and saw what I thought was exposed asbestos. I decided to remove four boards (approx 1.8 x 1.2m each) and took what I thought was the correct precautions. I wore a good quality P2 mask, gloves, googles, and carefully removed and bagged the sheets which came away mainly as large pieces. Two of the sheets came away whole but I then broke them into pieces in order to bag them. They were marked Asbestolux on the back. I didn’t think to use a water spray but I at least wiped over the nails with a wet cloth before pulling them out and washed down the floor area. Stupidly I didn’t wear overalls or dispose of my clothing or the gloves (just gave the gloves an airing). Just as dumb I didn’t seal off the house which is quite open and was at the time very dusty due to ongoing DIY renovations. I then spent the next month living and sleeping in the house. Like I said, I wish I had seen this site earlier! Now I’m beating myself up thinking that for sure I have taken risks and if possible would like an opinion on the degree of risk I may have exposed myself to. Thanks, Kris

104. Karl Says:
     November 9th, 2011 at 5:47 am

     I am looking at purchasing a garage first erected in 1979 in New Zealand. I’m concerned that the cladding used may contain asbestos. the product used is called Fibrolite hyline. Can you tell me whether it contains Asbestos. If it does I dont want to buy the garage (for obvious reasons)

105. paul Says:
     November 10th, 2011 at 10:58 am

     G’day Jeff,

     Quick question: Would the internal plaster render of an 1860′s double brick cottage contain asbestos?

     It had rising damp and its color is a brown/red to grey where it is not damp affected.

     I recently removed it and my young son helped me – hence my concern.

     Someone told me that it was not uncommon in Australia for internal rendering to contain asbestos.

     Cheers

     Paul

106. Jeff Says:
     November 10th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

     Hi Paul,

     There is a possibility it may contain asbestos and any patchwork done later like the 1920′s which may also contain asbestos. But difficult to say in your particular case. Certainly some early decorative plaster mouldings also contained asbestos.

     Your best bet is take a sample (if your have any left) for Lab analysis, that way you know exactly the composition of your plaster render.

     Also distinguish this render from any ‘plasterboard’ in the ceiling which has the non toxic horse hair, hemp, sisal or glass fibre added as reinforcement.

     Jeff.

107. Jeff Says:
     November 10th, 2011 at 12:46 pm

     Hi Karl,

     Although I’m not familar with New Zealand building prouducts, the date of 1979 sounds to me like it would be in the period where such product would be manufactuered with asbestos. The replacement celluose fibre cement products started apearing in the 1980′s.

     Therefore I’d say NZ Fibrolite Hyline from 1979 probably is asbestos based.

     Jeff.

108. Ben Says:
     November 12th, 2011 at 10:09 am

     Hi Jeff, Thanks for your great site.

     We have recently brought a 1940s weatherboard house, which in the 1970 was reclad with asbestos. The sheeting is painted and in good condition. we would like to return the house to it’s former glory. Can we just place new weatherboards over the asbestos sheeting to give us a bit of extra insulation?

     Our bathroom is also asbersto sheet, can we do a similar thing inside and plaster straight over the top of the sheet?

     Thanks in advance.

     Ben

109. Sharon Says:
     November 14th, 2011 at 7:18 pm

     Hi Jeff,

     I came accross your website whilst typing in a search for information about any danger from asbestos roof tiles that are broken. The house next door has asbestos roof tiles which are badly damaged, the roof level of the neighbours house is the same height as our second level in our home, therefore when we open all the windows facing their roof the wind blows accross their broken roof directly into our home. I have been interested in finding out if this would present any health dangers to us as we have rather strong winds and we like the windows open so the breeze can cool the house down.

     Kind regards

     Sharon

110. Robyn Says:
     November 16th, 2011 at 7:45 pm

     Hi,

     I am renting a housing department home. I ripped up all the old carpet and installed floating floorboards. There was a hell of a lot of dust and grime. I found an old newspaper clipping under some of the carpet dated to 1952. Obviously I had to rip off the skirts to install the floor boards (I ended up throwing them out as they were rotted) which is where I came across so much dust. I then panicked about asbestos! A little too late I know! Most of the nails came off with the old skirts but a few nails are still in the walls. I’m too scared to rip them out due to upsetting the asbestos fibres in the wall. Is it safe to pull them out and should I be nailing the new skirts back on or just liquid nail them on? Im trying to fix this old run down house up best I can, being a single mum. Its not easy and I had no idea about asbestos until it was too late and now im panicking! What shoud I do?? BTw – awesome website, I just learnt so so much, thanks for the info:)

111. Sharyn Says:
     November 21st, 2011 at 5:57 pm

     I recently had a wall removed from an apartment built in the late 1960′s. The apartment has fireproof ceilings and I had conflicting information from builders who quoted on the work, as to whether the ceiling material contains aesbestos. It just looks like a very thick plasterboard. Can anyone tell me whether the type of thick plasterboard used for fireproof ceiling in 1960′s buildings contained asbestos?

112. Anthony Says:
     November 27th, 2011 at 10:34 am

     Hi Jeff,

     I helped a friend for an couple of hours remove some internal walls and a ceiling from a 1930′s weatherboard home in Victoria. I suspect the walls contained asbestos and a local removalist believes that it would almost certainly have been white asbestos if anything. I’m just wondering if you know to what degree white asbestos sheets may have been contaminated with tremolite from Canada for homes built in this period? The work was done 5 years ago and wasn’t tested so we dont know for sure if it was even asbestos sheets but just after your thoughts.
     Thanks very much. Anthony.

113. Jeff Says:
     November 29th, 2011 at 8:11 pm

     Hi Sharon,

     Sorry for the late reply.

     I can understand your concern. I would suggest unless the tiles have been coated in some way, the tiles would probably be subjected to a certain degree of weathering from rain, wind, hail, heating and cooling effects.

     With tiles subject to this amount of weathering I would expect there to be a release of some asbestos fibres from the asbestos-cement matrix into the surroundings.

     The question is how many fibres are being released and is it a health hazard…

     To see how many fibres are being released, an air sampling audit would need to be done. This is no big deal and is quite often done on large commercial asbestos removal jobs, such as when asbestos lagging is being removed from multi-storey buildings. The down side is you’d probably have to pay for this sampling yourself.

     I’d expect there would be a low level release of asbestos fibres from these tiles.

     There is still some conjecture to whether or not there is a ‘safe’ level of asbestos. Some say one fibre constitutes a health hazard, others say a higher amount. I’d be on the side of caution with this one.

     In a practical sense, you can try writing a letter to your neighbours (or the owner of the building) expressing your concern, maybe they are happy do something about it.

     You can also try contacting your local council, to see what they say. Could be some building codes and level of up-keep required by the local council for buildings such as this.

     Finally, make sure the tiles are asbestos, not concrete or slate for example.

     Regards, Jeff

114. Jeff Says:
     November 29th, 2011 at 8:39 pm

     Hi Robyn,

     Sorry for late reply. Yes… the dust under the carpet could well contain asbestos from the original construction. If the internal walls are fibro, the builders may have used the floor to cut and drill sheets prior to installing them. Yes alarmingly some the original asbestos dust may still be there! This may also be true of soil on the outside of house. This is another thing to be cautious of when renovating asbestos houses.

     With the nails still stuck in the wall, if you can’t pull them out gently with pincer pliers (put some PVA glue over this while you do it to stop any loose material escaping) I’d recommend cutting them of as close to the wall as to you can.

     Yes, use liquid nails to stick the new skirting boards back on.

     Regards Jeff.

115. Jason Kovacevic Says:
     November 29th, 2011 at 9:01 pm

     Hi Jeff,
     I’ve confirmed my 3 bedroom brick veneer property in Colyton NSW contains asbestos. The way I did this, and a message for everyone reading, is to access the original building certificate or D/A, for your property (or the property you lease, etc), from the local council. The D/A or certificate will have complete detail on all materials used. I then confirmed that my eaves boarding had been asbestos cement sheeting, and also found that behind my bathroom walls (which are plaster), there is an additional wall of asbestos (bathroom only). Lucky I didnt go disturbing any of this. My question to Jeff is, what would be the rough cost for removal/replacement of the asbestos eaves boarding with ordinary non-asbestos sheeting (single level b/v 3 bedroom house) and for removal of the asbestos wall sheeting behind the gyprock bathroom walls? Thanks.

116. Jeff Says:
     November 29th, 2011 at 9:51 pm

     Hi Sharyn,

     Confirm or not whether this is Hardies Asbestolux. A low density fibreboard which looks a bit like plasterboard. Check this link from Queensland worksafe for a picture of it and description (Thanks QLD Worksafe for this great info):

     http://www.deir.qld.gov.au/workplace/resources/pdfs/asbestos_factsheet5.pdf
     Note that this is classed as friable asbestos (crumbles easily when touched) so is quite dangerous if disturbed. As such, it requires a licensed asbestos removalist to deal with it.

     Regards Jeff.

117. Jeff Says:
     November 29th, 2011 at 11:55 pm

     Hi Anthony,

     I’ve heard some suggestion that asbestiform versions of Tremolite is one of the more dangerous forms of asbestos and it’s suggested it’s the Tremolite contamination of Chrysotile (white asbestos) that is responsible for mesothelioma. Having said that, there is much evidence to link Chrysotile with mesothelioma also.

     I assume you were removing asbestos cement sheeting as the internal walls.

     It’s really difficult to guage the extent of the Tremolite contamination of asbestos cement sheeting manufactured from Canadian Chrysotile when compared to asbestos sheeting manufactured from Chrysotile which was sourced from say South Africa or even Baryugil NSW.

     Apparently there is low level contamination of Canadian Chrysotile with Tremolite.

     As always, the only true way of knowing the actual composition of asbestos cement products in a particular situation is to have it laboratory tested.

     Regards, Jeff

118. Melissa Chilton Says:
     December 3rd, 2011 at 6:39 pm

     Hi Jeff,

     Great site. We own a transportable house built in the 1950s we think. The internal walls have builders tape joining them. Could you please tell me if it could be asbestos?
     Thanks Melissa

119. Jeff Says:
     December 6th, 2011 at 10:24 pm

     Hi Jason,

     Thanks for that tip on another way of identifying asbestos by using plans and certificates from the local council. Not sure is this is true for all states in Australia, but if your in NSW might be worth dropping into your local council and asking for this.

     As for the cost of removing and replacing the asbestos eaves with asbestos free material such as Hardiflex and removing asbestos from the bathroom…just a rough guess assuming you have tradesman do the job: time to do the work, cost of new materials and disposal of asbestos…I can imagine a trademan giving you a quote of around $6000-8000.
     ~More or less.

     Jeff.

120. Jeff Says:
     December 6th, 2011 at 10:39 pm

     Hi Melissa,

     I used to live in a transportable house, with asbestos external walls (Shadowline I think). Can’t remember the composition of the internal walls (either asbestos or masonite). Bathroom had asbestos (Hardies Tilux)

     The tape could be asbestos based, I wouldn’t be surprised, although it doesn’t ring a bell for me as being used. It could be fibreglass reinforced paper also.

     This may have varied from state to state around Australia, depending on the manufacturer of tranportable homes also.

     Best to take a sample of the tape, put it and plastic bag and get it analysed.

     Regards,

     Jeff.

121. NP Says:
     December 8th, 2011 at 7:31 am

     Hi Jeff,

     I am hoping you can help me.
     I am about to purchase a home that is 40 years old.
     A friend came to check out the property and found asbestos underneath the house (where they have made an extension) and also in the shed/ garage.

     I have requested this to be removed before I purchase it but I am concerned that there might be more – the house inside does look renovated though.

     Do you think the entire house would’ve been built using asbestos?

     Thanks,
     N

122. Jeff Says:
     December 8th, 2011 at 11:54 pm

     Hi NP,

     A recent commenter on here has suggested to check with your local council or shire for the original building plans which may list the type of materials used in its construction. This might be worth a try and is easy to ask this.

     At 40 years old.. it’s certainly is in the period where the use of asbestos cement sheeting in the construction industry would have been widespread.

     I’d check the outer walls, bathroom, toilets, laundry, under eaves etc for asbestos cement sheeting.

     Also, does the estate agent or seller have a duty of disclosure for any asbestos on the property? You might want to ask about this.

     Regards,

     Jeff.

123. Kay Says:
     December 12th, 2011 at 9:02 am

     Hi
     I remove a board and I got a model on the back it is

     HARDIE’S VERSILUX ? W4 V2 & 217 11:15

     is this a asbestos sheet?

     thanks

124. Kay Says:
     December 12th, 2011 at 9:02 am

     Hi
     I remove a board and I got a model on the back it is

     HARDIE’S VERSILUX II W4 V2 & 217 11:15

     is this a asbestos sheet?

     thanks

125. Chris - Melbourne Says:
     December 13th, 2011 at 6:07 pm

     Hi Jeff,

     Great site. I have a granny flat in my yard, not sure of the exact age, but the neighbours tell me it is mid to late 1990s. Got two questions for you:

     1) I can tell its made of blueboard since some sections are uncoated. The back side of the blueboard has the letters “BCG” stamped on it, some edges that are weathered look like they are made of layers of paper. Does this ring any warning bells for asbestos material?

     2) The render on the blueboards is acrylic, it melts like plastic when I burn it. Is acrylic render something that is likely to contain asbestos fibre?

     Thanks,
     Chris.

126. CHRIS Says:
     December 18th, 2011 at 6:48 pm

     Hi jeff great informative site.
     My dilemma is I am a builder currently doing a garage renovation. The garage had a white board covering which didn’t look that old. The house had recently been serveyed by a building surveyer and architect and neither had said anything. So our first job was to take this boarding down. I am normally really careful with asbestos and won’t go near it. But this didn’t look like any asbestos sheets I had seen. It is smooth both sides and off white colour, I presumed it was superlux board. So we took it down and on the last sheet were the words asbestolux. On closer inspection the edge of the sheets have what looks like hairs coming out of it. The sheets are not soft and won’t bend the snap clean. But they are not as hard as some of the cement I have encountered. I am now really really cross with myself. I have read that asbestolux was a trade name and they did use alternatives to asbestos even with the brand name on them. The house was built around the late 70s. Is there any way of checking other than sending of for analysis.
     Cheers chris

127. katie Says:
     December 20th, 2011 at 8:12 pm

     Hi really like the website.I am currently renovating my bathroom. My house is within the asbestos era and i am fairly confident that the shed is asbestos after checking your website. My bathroom however confuses me. I have chipped off several tiles and have exposed the walls. When chipping off the tiles some of the sheeting has come off and kind of looks like layers. The back surface looks like moddern Hardiflex (going off your picture)the joins have the plaster mesh tape and there are large letters stamped on the back of one of the boards (they look like lots of A’s hard to tell). Now for the questions 1. If it was asbestos would the tiles come of “cleaner” so is the fact that layers of sheeting are comming of with the glue an indicater that it isn’t? 2. am i at risk in the meantime by having the walls exposed because of the layers that have come off (looks a bit furry)and 3.is it risky to continue chipping off the tiles. Hope this makes sense found it hard to explain and any advice would be appreciated as i am planning on removing the walls back to stud and want to dispose of rubbish safely if need be.

128. John W Says:
     December 21st, 2011 at 7:44 pm

     Jeff as postings are numerous I have not read them all but will offer some information.

     The dangers of asbestos have been known clinically since 1914.

     There is even evidence that the ancient Greeks worked out that the fibres were killers.

     Fletchers as well as Hardies were culprits in manufacturing asbestos products in NZ and knew it was dangerous for many years before the law was finally changed to stop Blue Asbestos importation in the early 80s. They were still allowed to manufacture and products were sold for some years beyond that.

     Any asbestos should be sealed with paint if allowed to remain and label it so any future painter does not sand, scrape, wire brush or waterblast the surface.

     The stuff is deadly and even short ecposure to a few fibres can cause eventual death.

     I am not exaggerating as I have spent hundreds of hours researching and negotiating with ACC on this subject. A special medical Unit is set up in Christchurch to handle information and deal with victims.

     Slow deterioration of health can take anywhere from 12 to 50 years. Many problems can result from these dangerous fibres entering the body by way of skin, ingestion or breathing.
     The exposure time only produces a statistical increase in risk. Blue Asbestos is used in all the products with any curve and is more than 30 times more lethal than White asbestos which is bad enough.

     Even today beware imported items containing asbestos as transnational manufacturers have been found sourcing materials from India and other 3rd world countries with asbestos content.

     A large scale class action is being taken in Australia against Hardies for a massive sum so Hardies moved their money off to Europe to avoid responsibility.

     If you think you may have been exposed then register with the Labour Dept and you and your Doctor will get updates of information and new findings. Many of the conditions are very hard to diagnose and smokers are usually not diagnosed,

     If exposure is in the work place ACC will assist but if it was not in the workplace no assistance is given. Yet the Two companies now cannot be sued in NZ since National passed a law effectively absolving them.

     The number of identified chronic cases is expected to rise as the years of exposure and the deterioration of the cement holding the fibres together all moves ahead.
     In the cities many of our water pipes mains are asbestos pipe with Blue Asbestos. It is a creeping killer.
     Death can be very painful and don’t let the low exposure low risk nonsense guide you right to be very cautious and investigate any suspect material safely.
     Generally asbestos disease conditions do not respond to treatment but the drug Premextred can be used for mesothelioma conditions and may expend life a few months if caught early enough. Cost $5000 a dose or uo to $200,000 for a full course.
     Public awareness is low and little publicity is given about asbestos in NZ , its history and the legacy of manufacture for profit without responsibility.

129. Jeff Says:
     December 21st, 2011 at 11:35 pm

     Hi John,

     Thanks for the information on the state of asbestos in New Zealand. I’m sure any NZ readers will find what you have written to be quite useful.

     Also, can you give some indication of when the manufacturing of asbestos products ceased in New Zealand?

     Interesting what you say about blue asbestos and the use of curved products. I also read blue asbestos was highly sort after in the USA by gasket manufacturers (40′s 50′s & 60s). Blue asbestos due to its longer fibre properties was the choice fibre to use rather than chrysotile (white asbestos) for such products.

     To clarify for readers, ACC is The Accident Compensation Corporation of New Zealand

     http://www.acc.co.nz/

     More info on Premextred here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pemetrexed

     Regards, Jeff.

130. Jeff Says:
     December 22nd, 2011 at 12:03 am

     Hi Katie,

     The way it peels of in layers does sound a little like Hardiflex, though it’s not a very scientifc assesment. Hardiflex does tend to be a little softer than asbestos (which is brittle). The letters ‘a’ you see could be the asbestos symbol, and being softer material could mean this is late model asbestos sheeting before Hardies switched over to celluose based fibre sheeting. I’m guessing this might be asbestos based material from the early 1980′s.

     Looks like you might have to be careful with your bathroom renovation on this one. If the job’s not too big, you may be able do the removal yourself, just make sure you follow all the safety precautions and dispose of the old sheeting correctly.

     For the time being, paint over the exposed sheeting with PVA glue or paint. Better to be safe than sorry.

     Regards Jeff.

131. Louise Says:
     December 30th, 2011 at 12:58 pm

     Hi Jeff, My husband and I have been renting a property for 3 years
     and recenlty moved to our new home. However recently they decided to look at renovating the property and had someone come out to inspect it. Not long before we moved in they put a ceiling fan into the outside ceiling as it has a section under the main roof between the garage and house that creates a alfresco. Our concern is that this roof runs to the eaves and appears to be made of the same material that the builder informed us could be asbestos. Im worried as we spent many a hot summer days sitting under the alfresco in ths shade with the fan on full while our 1-3 year old played in the cool. I am so worried and can’t believe the electrician didn’t know or tell us either….would there be much risk the sheets are painted but had bee cut to fit the fan. We are no longer living there but I can’t help but be concerned we have exposed our son. Thankyou for your help

132. Jeff Says:
     December 30th, 2011 at 9:55 pm

     Hi Louise,

     The risk to exposure to asbestos fibres would be virtually nil in this case. You mention the sheeting has been painted, which would effectively seal the asbestos cement sheeting. As it is, left alone, it does not pose a danger.

     The main danger with asbestos cement sheeting comes at renovation time and activities such as cutting, drilling, removal and breakage of asbestos cement sheeting have potential to release asbestos fibres.

     Jeff.

133. Louise Says:
     January 2nd, 2012 at 9:51 am

     Hi Jeff, Thankyou the ceiling fan was only put in about a month before we moved in so the electrtion would have had to drill a hole for it to be put into the ceiling but Im hoping all the dust would have been gone by then. It did used to move around a bit as it was one of those ones that is normaly mounted into an inside ceiling with the light and as they tend be a little be flexible as they need the room to accomodate the movement as they rotate so I was worried as it would have been at times hitting the sides of the hole that had been cut to fit (and exposed fibres) fan to the ceiling as it could be potentialy hitting cut asbestos sheeting and releasing fibres while it was on. Sorry I just wanted to clarify it was not one of the pedestal type ones but a proper mounted enteranl ceiling fan that had been mounted to an outside asbestos ceiling/eaves.. I think they tend to be on a ball mount and this creates the swing and movemnet in them. Thanks again and thankyou for offering this fantastic service I only wish all local goverments would get together to make sure practices and pollicies would be put in place for all home owners new and old to be educated on the potential asbestos in there properties and the potentialdangers, thanks Louise

134. Andra Says:
     January 3rd, 2012 at 1:40 pm

     Hi Jeff,

     A neighbour has just cut a doorway and window into an old shed close to our house.I had always assumed it was an asbestos/fibro shed and am concerned -our back door was open at the time.The neighbour sheepishly informed me that it was masonite.The sheets are flat with beading covering the joins.Is there some way of telling what it really is through a visual inspection-preferably from a safe distance.

135. Andy Says:
     January 3rd, 2012 at 3:21 pm

     Hi Jeff – Thanks for an informative site. I have just pulled apart a wall on a verandah & these are the markings on the back of the sheet.

     HARDIFLEX SHEET 06.10.03 01.05 20311986

     I do not have any relevant date on when the verandah was built – Can you shed some light on the meaning of those numbers?

     Hardies also provide a 131103 to call for a data sheet. This number has been disconnected.

136. Jeff Says:
     January 4th, 2012 at 8:44 pm

     Hi Andy,

     Without seeing this myself, I think the 06.10.03 refers to date of manufacture. So this would be 6 Oct 2003 1:05AM. Therefore does not contain asbestos.

     Hardies generally printed the date of manufacture on modern Hardiflex starting in the 1980′s.. though be careful this is not fool proof method of identification. Some of the crossover Hardiflex from asbestos to celluose in the early 80′s may have similar date markings.

137. Jeff Says:
     January 4th, 2012 at 8:58 pm

     Hi Andra,

     Yes, is not good a situation you have there. I would take a guess it is asbestos cement sheeting rather than Masonite. Masonite tends to be for internal use only and would not be durable enough for external use (would fall apart very easily actually). Plenty of old asbestos sheds still around.

     You might want take the matter up with your local council. Jeff.

138. Nicole Says:
     January 5th, 2012 at 5:43 pm

     Hi Jeff,
     Your site is really informative, thanks. We have moved into a 5-year-old property (a rental when we bought it), that had a piece of ?fibro/?cement sheeting with two wooden beams attached, placed on top of the washing line. Not sure why the tenants did this, but we took it down without thinking when we moved in and it snapped. Given the age of the property, we feel it is unlikely to be asbestos, but we are still concerned. Our 2-year-old has been playing in the back garden where it has been lying. We need to dispose of it (and other rubbish) and are concerned about a) moving it and b) whether the tip will accept it. There are no markings on the material. What is the likelihood of it being asbestos and how should we proceed with getting rid of it? Thanks for your advice.

139. Jeff Says:
     January 5th, 2012 at 8:41 pm

     Hi Nicole,

     With the property being only 5 years old, I would have a good guess this is a sheet of modern cellulose based Hardiflex left over from the construction of the house. Modern Hardiflex does not contain asbestos

     However since there is still some doubt, you might want to wrap it up in plastic to be sure.

     But, before you do that…ring your local council to see what your options are in your area. If you’re really lucky, the environmental health officer may be able positively identify the sheet for you (that’s why we pay council rates isn’t it) and advise further for asbestos disposal (if it is asbestos at all).

     If it’s not asbestos, it can be thrown out with the regular rubbish.

     Jeff.

140. Nicole Says:
     January 6th, 2012 at 9:47 am

     Thanks Jeff for your quick response and great advice. I contacted the council who unfortunately don’t provide this service, but have now arranged for a trusted builder to come and check it out.
     Just a hint of doubt so can’t be too careful.
     Cheers,
     Nicole.

141. Brad Says:
     January 7th, 2012 at 4:34 pm

     Hi Jeff,

     One question that doesnt seem to get answered in the above….

     So the asbestos fibro material is a solid ‘board’? I have sheeting in the bathroom that although has a grey fibrous exterior, looks like ‘gyprock/plaster’… I will get it tested before we do anything, but the presence of plaster tends to indicate that there is no asbestos??

     thanks in advance

142. Jeff Says:
     January 7th, 2012 at 7:10 pm

     Hi Brad,

     Plasterboard and Gyprock do not contain asbestos. A quick identification guide:

     Asbestos sheeting is about 4mm thick, whilst Plasterboard/Gyprock is generally thicker 8mm-10mm. Gyprock is basically plaster sandwiched between 2 pieces of cardboard. Plaster is white & powdery and quite soft. Try the ‘Compass Test’. Grab yourself a compass (the one that’s used for drawing circles) and try to push it into the wall. If the material is Gyprock or plasterboard then compass point will penetrate into it about 1mm. If the material is asbestos, then it won’t penetrate at all. Asbestos sheeting is very hard.
     The tricky part is distinguishing between asbestos sheeting and modern cellulose based cement fibre sheeting which looks very similar.
     Jeff.

143. Brad Says:
     January 7th, 2012 at 7:30 pm

     thanks Jeff,

     Brilliant service you run here….

144. Jason Kovacevic Says:
     January 7th, 2012 at 8:54 pm

     Hi Jeff,
     thanks for your response to my November 29th posting… I ended up getting some quotes and there is one very reputable major corporation based at Blacktown who have quoted $4000 but dont resheet.. They appear to be “the works”, HEPA vacuum cleaners, full suits and respirators, very impressive website with details of projects for both commercial and residential…. Then I got another quote (again, removal only), and they said $2400. These are relatively smaller operators, but the price difference causes fear that the cheaper operators may take shortcuts which may leave fibres or dust behind or even break the sheets or not wet them correctly prior to removal, etc. Do you think I should fear this with the cheaper operator? I therefore feel inclined to go with the more expensive operator.
     Have heard of a horror story at one of my friend’s houses at Padstow NSW. Several years ago, asbestos removalists had been contracted to remove the asbestos roof from the couple’s garage. The couple reported that the contractors wore a protective white suit however that 2 of the workers reportedly mostly had their masks off for more than 50% of the time as they were smoking during the removal. And what’s worse is that the husband of the couple reported that he coughed that night like never before in the past! This subject only came up a few weeks ago and when I told them this, they are now going to both seek lung X-Rays from their local GP so as to check the lungs for asbestos.
     But to any other readers here, play safe, do NOT take asbestos for granted. My property is a 3 bedroom brick veneer in Colyton NSW built in 1979 and at first thought, the average Joe blow would never imagine a brick dwelling containing asbestos — wrong! The eaves boarding is asbestos, as is the bathroom (not the actual walls as these are plaster, however behind the plaster, there are asbestos sheets). Thirdly, 2 small boards on the tiled roof to close off the end of the east-west roof and link it to North-South. I have confirmed all of this by accessing building plans from Penrith City Council and urge anyone in NSW to do the same. With Penrith City Council it was a free service, I simply contacted them and made an appointment to view the original document. I then viewed and asked the administration officer to photocopy and upon studying the 10 or so pages in detail, I knew exactly where the asbestos was and can now play it safe. Better safe than sorry, don’t go putting yourselves at risk, this stuff is one of those silent killers that I believe fails to receive the attention it should in the mass media to allow more to identify and recognise it. Ideally, laws need to be brought out to make it mandatory for all of those renovation-type reality shows on television to carry warnings on asbestos as well as regular campaigns on the mass media with good use of pictures (a picture is worth a thousand words!) to enable all to easily identify it… The trouble with a pink-batts style stimulus package for asbestos removal is that every Tom, Dick & Harry and fly by nighters would join the asbestos removal profession overnight and imagine them (no experience, no safety just dollar chasing) removing asbestos from your house! I know of countless examples like one in the year 2000 when one son and his father built a back shed behind their mini supermarket at Kingswood (NSW) out of asbestos sheets! When I visited and advised them in 2008, the son couldn’t believe the material he had been dealing with had been this stuff! Everyone here, do not take asbestos for granted, let’s no be a statistic, it is a killer!

145. Penny Says:
     January 19th, 2012 at 1:46 am

     I just tore off the wall paper in my bathroom of a house built in the 50s. Under the wall paper is some type of panel board that seems to have had something similar to conact paper glued to it (it looks like the panel boards came that way). In some spots the “contact paper” had come unglued and was separated from the panels and in others we peeled it away which took the top layer of the panel causing some dust (very little). The panels are a dark brown board. It doesn’t look like the fibre in the pics above. I am wondering if this type of board contains asbestos? If so, can it be painted over to seal or does it have to be removed and replaced with drywall?

146. Jeff Says:
     January 20th, 2012 at 11:41 pm

     Hi Jason,
     Some fantastic advice there for readers.

     As for choosing a cheap asbestos removalist versus the more expensive removalist, I agree with you..I’d pay the extra $1600 have it done by the reputable company.

     Regards Jeff.

147. Jeff Says:
     January 20th, 2012 at 11:52 pm

     Hi Penny, the brown colour of material underneath the wall paper suggests it might be a wood based material (such as Masonite). Fibre cement such as asbestos will usually be grey colour and quite hard. You might be best to get someone in the positively identify the material before you begin renovation.

     Regards Jeff.

148. Jason Kovacevic Says:
     January 22nd, 2012 at 9:54 am

     Thanks Jeff, one final message from me as I feel bad I’m posting too many posts people will think I’m trying to take over the site off you.

     All I wanted to do is share my experiences of asbestos knowledge in motor vehicles as I’m also a DIY mechanic when not working for the government in my day job.

     Just so people are aware, older vehicles used asbestos brake pads as the original pads at time the vehicle left the production line, as well as (for manual transmission vehicles) an asbestos clutch friction disk (some people call this the clutch driven plate).

     I have a 2000 Land Rover Freelander & a 1997 Mitsubishi Lancer both with manual gearboxes and also a 1994 Holden with an automatic transmission. Have written to Mitsubishi Motors Australia & Holden who both promptly replied : Mitsubishi stopped using asbestos products in their vehicles in 1992 and Holden in 1993. Land Rover were too busy to reply to me, however I’ve found out from other sources that generally prior to 1995 there isn’t any asbestos in clutches/brakes.

     The Ford Festiva just so readers know as they are quite popular here & mum has owned a 1999 manual one since 2004, was not actually made by Ford (have a look at the compliance plate) but was made in Korea and by Kia Motors. I have been told by persons from the industry that the one to watch out for are the Korean made cars like the Hyundai Excel & the Ford Festivas as the original clutch disc & brake pads (up to & including year 2000 models) may contain asbestos.

     We banned asbestos nationally in 2003, the UK did in 1999, but the Asian world is a different story sadly. Many of the Asian countries still have not banned it, though I believe South Korea & China may have in 2011 (not confirmed, something I read somewhere).

     So for all you DIY mechanics out there, take caution if replacing the clutch or brake pads as if they are originals, they may contain asbestos. Mum has a 1999 Festiva & it’s time for a clutch change & I’ve decided not to do any work on it but to sell it instead rather than work with asbestos risks. As a DIY mechanic or even for mechanics out there with their workshops, the worst thing you could possibly do is on a car made before 1995 or 2000 if Korean, is blow the brake dust with a compressed air hose, as this will probably send asbestos dust & fibres through your workshop!

     If your unsure, it is best to leave the work to a professional or if really want to tackle it yourself like me, assume it is asbestos. So remember to wear all of the protective gear, thoroughly wet down the existing components & nearby components & remove the old (asbestos) part in an approved asbestos vacuum sealed bag & dispose legally. While its still saturated, wipe everything down with a wet rag & remove/dispose of the rag as well as the clothes you wore for the task. Try and work in a place with good ventilation.

149. Jason Kovacevic Says:
     January 22nd, 2012 at 10:16 am

     Readers,
     I just wanted to stress that I am not an industry expert & if in doubt, it is best to assume it is asbestos. Although I have received confirmed off Holden & mitsubishi in writing, what I stated about the Ford Festiva & Hyundais & Land Rovers is just my own opinion from what I have heard (about whether or not it is asbestos). There is this website for example http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z8452/Hyundai-Accent.aspx
     which states at one point, “Hyundai has eliminated the use of asbestos in gaskets, brakes and clutch discs”, the the title of the page is “2005 Hyundai Accent images”. And it’s also an American site. Remember that car makers had different scenarios with different countries with their vehicles, for example, one model shipped here or there may contain asbestos whilst the other may not have shipped there, etc. So the years i have mentioned in my postings (except for Mitsubishi & Holden) are just a rough guide only and have no expert or written confirmation behind it, just so you all know, and is solely my own opinion designed for the benefit of readers like yourselves to provide you, and your family & friends, with greater awareness of where asbestos may be found. As a general rule of thumb, unless you have written confirmation from a credible source like the car maker after you have quoted the VIN or chassis number, then it is better to assume that it does contain it.

150. Corey Says:
     January 24th, 2012 at 6:50 am

     Hi Jeff

     A quick question. I cleaned out the dirt and dust from an old shed I suspect is cladded with asbestos. I used a soft bristle broom to wipe the cladding, and a lot of old dust (brown dirt mostly) came off. Would this be enough to break down the fibers?

     Corey

151. Seb Says:
     January 24th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

     Hi. Just wanting to know if asbestos-free cement sheeting can have the ‘layered’ look and also have a fibrous look to it, ie, like the small clumps/ in AC sheeting?

152. Seb Says:
     January 24th, 2012 at 5:06 pm

     Also, I’ve had lab-tested and confirmed asbestos-free, sheeting that had that honeycomb effect. Have you come across this?

153. Jeff Says:
     January 24th, 2012 at 10:54 pm

     Hi Jason,

     A good point you mention about potential asbestos hazards in old cars, that being brake pads, clutch plates and gaskets.

     I’m a car tinkerer also, and well aware that many of the old cars out there which are waiting restoration in peoples workshops but may still have asbestos containing parts fitted. These represent a hazard come restoration time if not handled carefully.

     Also I should mention many ‘new old stock’ or NOS parts sitting on peoples shelves, still unused but containing asbestos. I know this from personal experience, as I several brand new clutch plates, brake pads and gasket sets for my Morris which I purchased in the 1990′s, I know it’s asbestos as they have warning labels on there. I also have some rolls gasket paper for DIY gasket making which I suspect is asbestos based made by Richard Klinger Gaskets from the 1980′s.

     Jeff.

154. Jeff Says:
     January 25th, 2012 at 12:47 am

     Hi Seb,

     Yes modern celluose fibre cement sheeting such as Hardiflex and Hardifence sometimes has a layered appearance if you look at a broken edge & sometimes you can pull the layers apart.

     I haven’t noticed this layering effect so much with old fashioned Fibrolite.

     Also, if you look carefully at a freshly broken piece of Hardiflex, the break will reveal some of the cellulose fibres, sort of a fuzzy appearance and looks somewhat like torn cardboard.

     The layering effect, I suspect is a result of different manufacturing techniques used to make cellulosed based cement sheeting and and not so much to do with the composition.

     The honeycomb effect you mention, would be pattern on the back of flat sheeting I presume? Old Fibrolite has a dimpled golf ball appearance, quite distinct. There seems to be several different patterns on the various sheetings.

     I should point out these differences between asbestos sheeting and cellulose based sheeting are not always reliable indicators esp. with later sheeting. It should be used in conjuction with other evidence, such as any markings, dates of manufacture, age of buildings and finally if there is still some doubt, the material should be lab tested.

     Jeff.

155. Jeff Says:
     January 25th, 2012 at 1:05 am

     Hi Corey,

     I wouldn’t recommend any sweeping action on asbestos cement sheeting. This has the potential to dislogde loose asbestos fibres into the surroundings. Best left alone and untouched until a removal plan has been thought up.

     Jeff.

     Jeff.

156. Seb Says:
     January 25th, 2012 at 7:29 am

     Thanks Jeff. Yes, I was meaning the golf ball, dimpled pattern on one side of cement sheeting. I was aware of it being common with asbestos containing sheets, but also have come across it on asbestos-free sheeting. So, I was curious as to whether you had also found this.

157. Angie Says:
     January 25th, 2012 at 10:01 am

     We are renovating my daughter’s house and the walls are lined with Hardiflex B1 1 269 95H2 and 3K071 Hardiflex W42D62965 NO – does anyone know if this contains asbestos. Also as this has been worked and if asbestos is made airborne, does the asbestos stay in the air for always, or is it safe after a period of time?

158. Kirsten Says:
     January 26th, 2012 at 7:11 pm

     Hi Jeff,
     Great website.
     How commonly was asbestos used in ceilings? I’m renting an old house about 50-60 years old and I know there is asbestos fake brick cladding, ac sheeting on the outside of an extension, the list goes on. It seems to be everywhere. How likely is the ceiling to be asbestos instead of normal plasterboard? I worry because it’s really cracked and a bit saggy from water damage.

159. Kirsten Says:
     January 26th, 2012 at 7:13 pm

     Hi Jeff,
     Maybe I should add – the ceiling has those battens similar to the ones in your picture. Is that an indication?

160. Jeff Says:
     January 27th, 2012 at 10:59 pm

     Hi Seb,

     That’s quite interesting. I’ve been checking my older style asbestos free Hardiflex, and it doesn’t have the classic golf ball dimple pattern

     It’s possible, this patten may differ from where the sheeting was manuafactured throughout Australia. The sheeting I’ve been looking at is manufactured in Perth. However, it’s possible sheeting produced in other states of Australia may have a different pattern on the back depending on the machinery that was used at the time. And this could alter from year to year.

     Thanks for pointing this out.

     Jeff.

161. Jeff Says:
     January 27th, 2012 at 11:41 pm

     Hi Angie,

     The numbers are part of Hardies manufacturing codes, which they don’t reveal.

     I suspect this is sheeting contains asbestos and is prior to Hardies started putting on an asbestos warning labels on their products (which was in the early 80′s).

     Later ‘asbestos-free’ Hardiflex has the time, date and year printed on it (and other codes).

     Treat with caution until positively identified.

     Asbestos fibres will eventually settle onto the ground, window sills, or like any dust anywhere they can settle…so an asbestos cleanup will involve wiping these surfaces down with a damp cloth, or by using HEPA vacuum cleaner.

     Jeff.

162. Jeff Says:
     January 28th, 2012 at 12:22 am

     Hi Kirsten,

     Asbestos was quite often used in ceilings, particularly in the laundry of many houses from 1950-1970′s and to a lesser extent in other rooms. Plasterboard did give a better finish, so it was the material of choice to use in bedrooms, living, dining rooms & lounge rooms.

     Your house which is 50-60 years old, is in the asbestos hey day period, so it’s a good candidate of being full of it.

     The sagging ceiling does sound somewhat like plasterboard, which it typically does in older homes, even more so after it has become wet from a leaking roof. Fibro sheeting wouldn’t sag so much I’d expect unless there was some damage to the roofing timbers.

     Procede with caution, confirm the material is plasterboard by asking a someone to visually inspect it.

     Jeff.

163. Jason Kovacevic Says:
     January 28th, 2012 at 5:18 am

     Hi Jeff, just wanted to add to your January 27th posting to Angie re: the asbestos warning labels, my property has those. It is a completely red label about the size of 4x 50 cent coins put up against each other and reads “Danger Asbestos”. This was found on the up side of my asbestos eaves boarding, but interestingly, only at one particular position (not every eaves board of the property), just the Eastern side. I noticed this in 2007 as I was changing a few concrete tiles at the edge. The property is a 3 bedroom brick veneer built 1979/1980, building certificate which I accessed from Penrith City Council (which confirms asbestos material for the eaves and 1 other location in the property) is dated 1979 so sounds like commenced build 1979 completed 1980. Would it have been common they use the warning labels on a single part of the whole eaves section, not more frequently around it? I guess then if readers see an absence of warning labels on, say for example, eaves boarding, doesn’t mean it’s not asbestos simply due to this, because judging by my property, they may have affixed the warning label on 1 particular section of the eaves.

164. Mark Says:
     January 29th, 2012 at 6:50 pm

     Hi Jeff,

     Looks like I have read this site a little late. I removed some sheeting
     today with the hardiflex name on the back. House was built in 70′s.
     I was wearing mask but that is about it.
     My question is did all hardiflex products contain asbestos or were
     different types manufactured for different uses some with and some without asbestos?

165. Jeff Says:
     January 30th, 2012 at 11:50 pm

     Hi Jason,

     Thanks again for this valuable information.

     The red warning label was placed on asbestos cement sheets from the late 1970′s. I’m still looking for photos of these to post up on the website.

     The labels were put on by Hardies after growing concern from builders and customers about exposure to asbestos when working with AC products.

     Typically there would be only a few stickers (maybe only 1) per large sheet (1200×1800, 1200×2400 etc) which would have been cut to size on site and nailed on..so not every piece of asbestos has a sticker unfortunately. Though, better than no sticker at all.

     Also, thanks for pointing out about a record of building products used in the construction maybe available at your local council in NSW.

     Regards Jeff.

166. Jeff Says:
     January 31st, 2012 at 12:23 am

     Hi Mark,

     Hardies introduced Hardiflex in the 1960′s containing about 15% asbestos AND cellulose fibre (which made it more flexable). The name Hardiflex continued on throughout the 1970′s and 1980′s. When the switch was made to eliminate asbestos from all Hardies products, some product names were abandoned(like Shadowline) others renamed (like Super Six to Hardifence), however the name Hardiflex was retained. This often adds to the confusion surrounding Hardiflex. Thus, there is asbestos and non asbestos versions of Hardiflex.

     Jeff.

167. Anthony Says:
     February 1st, 2012 at 1:30 pm

     Hi Jeff,

     We’ve recently discovered some super six fencing at our home in Ballarat, Victoria. Just wondering if you know what type of asbestos (white, bllue or brown) was used in the manufacturing of super six?

     Thanks.

168. Jeff Says:
     February 1st, 2012 at 7:56 pm

     Hi Anthony,

     Hardies often used a mixture of the 3 different types of asbestos at various stages…and often tweaked the mix to suit.

     Very early super six from the late 1950′s and early 1960′s contained a mixture of blue asbestos (crocidolite), white (chrysotile) and possibly brown (amosite).

     The blue asbestos was phased out of Super Six and most other products (probably with the exception of asbestos pipes) in the later 1960′s (due to it’s extreme danger).

     White Asbestos and probably a smaller amount of brown asbestos was used in the the mix there-after until it’s eventual phase out in the mid 1980′s and switch to the cellulose fibre products (renamed to Hardifence).

     Brown asbestos is considered the second most dangerous form of the 3 asbestoses.

     Jeff.

169. Steph Says:
     February 5th, 2012 at 5:20 am

     Hi Jeff,
     Great website with loads of info.
     A friend has told me that even if a house is made with external boards which contain asbestos, it’s unlikely that interior walls (with the exception of bathrooms and laundries) would be made with asbestos materials and more often be plasterboard. Is this correct? I’m considering purchasing a house which I assume is hardiplank on the outside. If purchased, id want to do some major works inside(including wall knockdowns).
     What are your thoughts?
     Thanks in advance!

170. Jason Kovacevic Says:
     February 6th, 2012 at 7:08 pm

     Hi Jeff,
     Just a quick question again. On the upside of plaster board ceiling at my 1979 build 3 bed brick veneer, it has stamp “Australian Gypsum”. Would this have any content of asbestos in it? I tried to do some quick research on-line and cannot associate asbestos with it except this one website which writes the following : “Some examples of National Gypsum Company products that once contained asbestos include:
     •Gold Bond Asbestos Permaboard
     •Gold Bond Plaster
     •Gold Bond Tar Paper”
     The website is: http://www.asbestos.com/companies/national-gypsum.php and is American based, but I thought it’s best to ask yourself about it. The other suspicion is that the Australian Gypsum plasterboard would have been produced when asbestos was being used in it’s peak heyday thus the suspicion.

     Just something else, the asbestos sheeting in my bathroom does not have battens (like the traditional types we see enclosed with battens) but is actually just a single sheet, exactly like plaster board. Nicely sealed and painted bonded asbestos. The only way I knew it was asbestos is by the original bulding certificare from council and, this I learnt from people inspecting recently and giving me quotes, the knock on the asbestos sheeting has a rock-type sound behind it. When the inspector knocked on ordinary pinewood walls in the remainder of the dwelling, it was just a more hollower knock, you could easily tell. But thought I’d also inform your readers, just because it isn’t enclosed with battens, doesnt mean it’s not asbestos. This is a single sheet nicely painted exactly like plasterboard! I can only imagine people across the country doing their own home renovations and smashing walls like this to smithereens not knowing what it could potentially be.

171. Jason Kovacevic Says:
     February 7th, 2012 at 8:04 pm

     I say tax cuts for individuals for asbestos removal! Surely Rudd can come up with this initiative when he gets in shortly, otherwise if he doesnt, then Abbott can do it. I think this is one of the best ways to start putting asbestos back where it wont hurt anyone – in the ground! This will indirectly also start promoting greater awareness of it which probably means greater numbers of incidents of otherwise accidental exposure prevented.

172. Jeff Says:
     February 8th, 2012 at 10:02 am

     Hi Jason,

     Interesting you mention this. I’m currently in Malaysia, and have spoken to an asbestos expert here, and it seems loose asbestos fibres were added to the mix of some plasterboard products in Malaysia due to humid climate. As far as I know, asbestos was not added to plasterboard in Australia.

     However, with your research showing it was added to some plasterboard products in US… and myself just being told it was added to plasterboard in Malaysia, I’m beginning to have suspicions now about Aussie plasterboard, esp plasterboard in humid climates such as Queensland. I think this needs further investigation.

     Jeff.

173. Jeff Says:
     February 8th, 2012 at 10:56 am

     Hi Jason, I think asbestos is fairly low on the list of priorities of most pollies. Although Greg Combet is one exception. Certainly a continuing asbestos awareness campaign ought to be the domain of government departments and should be on the list. In the past, the unions have often been pivotal to awareness of asbestos in the workplace and the greatest awareness campaigns have been the high profile court cases such as the Bernie Banton vs Hardies. The DIY home renovator doesn’t get a lot of concessions from governements, it’s up to the indivudual renovator to make themselves aware of asbestos and deal with it. Jeff.

174. bp Says:
     February 9th, 2012 at 10:42 am

     I have removed a wood heater from our mid 80′s house and found it sitting on a layer of bricks which were sitting on a fibro cement sheet. The sheet has the name Hardies written on it, with the same pattern as shown on the hardflex picture above (the non-asbestos one)

     Also, printed on it are some numbers, with borders around each one.

     I can see on the edge that it is made up of layers which can be pulled apart and the broken edges are furry

     From what I have read these things suggest that its non-asbestos and just wanting to confirm..

     Thanks, bp.

175. Rich Says:
     February 11th, 2012 at 10:49 am

     Did you know it explodes?

176. Jason Kovacevic Says:
     February 12th, 2012 at 5:19 pm

     G’day Jeff,
     just for the benefit of readers here and yourself, I emailed both CSR and Boral as either of them would have been the suppliers of the “Australian Gypsum” ceiling plasterboard in my brick veneer property built in 1979 in Colyton, NSW. They are the ceiling plasterboard and are marked “Australian Gypsum”. I dont think they are CSR I think they are Boral, CSR replied, and a week or more later, still no reply from Boral. Here is CSR’s reply to my enquiry:

     “Jason, CSR plasterboard has never had asbestos in it. However, we are not familiar with that label – our board was usually identified with CSR branding. It is unlikely that any plasterboard has asbestos but if it is not CSR branded then you should have it tested or identify the manufacturer. Michael Ryan 1800 621 117″

     So there’s some positive there for readers. However it would be good to get a reply off Boral.

     In the event of any reply I am thinking of having it tested. When a cool day rolls across Sydney, I might go crawling up in the roof cavity area (I’m 189cm tall!!) and I think I might even be able to find some serial numbers on it or ever chunks laying around freely from when the place was built when they cut out holes for the bathroom and kitchen exhaust fans, etc….

     True the Malaysians did it, but they like all Asians love their asbestos, practically many of them still use it today. The Yanks had done it, but that doesn’t mean we did. Or maybe I’m thinking and guessing what the mind wants to hear, maybe a bit of Murphy’s Law??!

177. Linda Says:
     February 15th, 2012 at 6:41 am

     Hi Jeff

     Thank you for this extremely useful website. I have some questions and quite possibly they are a lot of others in our position, so your responses would help others apart from us. I’m using this excuse to ask you several questions!
     We have an old weekender that is wall to wall asbestos, with what looks like Tilux in bathroom, kitchen and outdoor laundry/shower. The place is painted inside and out so hopefully the asbestos is in a stable condition and we are very careful not to disturb it. The house is on a big block in a very good position and, judging by what’s been happening in the streets around us, if we sell the place it will be demolished to be replaced by several townhouses. So the place would sell on landvalue only, with its price diminished because the area is famous for asbestos weekenders, so buyers all factor asbestos removal into the price. What this means is that there is no real point in us spending a lot of money renovating it.
     However, we love this little place (death trap although I suppose it is!) and plan to keep it for as long as possible. For our own benefit, we’d like to improve the 1950s era kitchen a little(since the Tilux is cracked, the taps are disintegrating, sink unit waterdamaged and sagging etc). However, we wonder whether if it’s all best left undisturbed, perhaps just adding another coat of paint. I don’t want to remove the Tilux, so I’m wondering how practical and safe it would be to tile over the Tilux or alternatively install new waterproof panelling over it (of course we’d tell any future buyers). My questions are these.
     1) Am I right to think precautions have to be taken to prevent dust when the sink unit and cupboards are removed, even if the tilux is kept in place? If so, what precautions?
     2) If we opt simply to replace the taps or the whole sink unit, will that release asbestos dust too?
     3) If we opt to do nothing and leave everything in place, what would you recommend to seal and conceal cracks in TIlux (so it doesn’t look quite so awful)?
     4) What precautions should be taken when replacing rotted window frames around the house?
     5) Finally – to test your patience a bit longer! – any other ideas to improve the kitchen safely (and maybe the bathroom at some future date)?
     Thanks again for your great website

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179. Ellen Says:
     February 20th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

     Hi

     I came across your site when trying to determine if a shed on our new property contains asbestos. Now I’m concerned me and my family may have been exposed to asbestos at the end of last year. We were renting a (not particularly well kept) fibro house and the landlord wanted to renovate the bathroom. He was going to do this while we were away on holiday and we were supposed to come back to a finished bathroom, instead we walked into a dust laden house with a bathroom that had only a bath in it and the tiler had barely started. It was nightime when we arrived home and so we wearily cleaned up the mess ourselves. The dust was throughout our house, including on my children’s toys. The builder assured us that we didn’t need to be concerned about asbestos, but now I’m feeling very stressed about it. There wasn’t any sheeting aroung the bath/shower – it was tiled and the walls above the tiles wallpapered. We don’t live there now (thank god!) so I guess there isn’t anyway to find out if we were exposed?

180. Seb Says:
     February 20th, 2012 at 7:45 pm

     Hi there. I’ve read recently that some are saying people should take the same precautions with Asbestos replacement boards. What is your opinion and do you think that implies even making sure it is sealed to prevent ANY fibre release? A great deal of this boarding is lying exposed in all sorts of conspicuous places- including my daughter’s preschool! Thanks in advance.

181. Jason Kovacevic Says:
     February 21st, 2012 at 6:39 pm

     To the February the 20th poster ‘Ellen’, just out of interest, after everyone walked in to that dust, just some questions. (1) Did any one of your cough at the time of the hours immediately afterwards, like cough quite a bit following walking in to the dust, and secondly, if anybody coughed at all, did anyone by any chance cough up any blood? Reason I ask these is compare it to people who have told me of their experiences following exposure. Dont use this as a guide, i’m not a medical professional, i just want to compare your responses with persons who have been exposed who have spoken with me previously drawing on their experiences.

182. Ellen Says:
     February 22nd, 2012 at 11:33 am

     Hi Jason

     No, I don’t recall anyone coughing an awful lot and there was definitely no blood coughed up…

183. Jason Kovacevic Says:
     February 22nd, 2012 at 8:39 pm

     Ellen,
     if your weighing up whether or not you or your family suffered exposure, I’d say chances are greater No than a yes based on this. I noted in a posting on this site many months earlier where one of my friends who own a property in Padstow NSW 2211, the male person of the couple “coughed like never before that night” following the removal of an asbestos garage, which the man’s wife believe was not done so as to contain or minimise dust. On the bases of probabilities, he may have been exposed. I know another example where a man who has a property in the western suburbs of Sydney had set out to repair a small hole in his asbestos wall in the WC closet. He sanded and sanded the wall, then patched then painted. When I spoke to him and told him what it had been, he told me that he coughed and coughed up blood at the time. I told him what it was his reponse was similar to “what’s that?!”. I told him to go and see his doctor and advise him of this and then ask for a lung xray to check for asbestos. I’d say there’s minimal chance you or your family were therefore exposed. Even if you were, based on this, it possibly means it wouldn’t be any cause for panic as it’s hardly likely to be a deadly amount. If it makes you feel better, you and your family can go and see your GP and tell him or her what happened and then ask for a lung Xray to check for asbestos. Something else you can do is apply through the local council in the area to attend council and view a copy of the original building certificate of that property. Even if you are not the owner, when you apply, there may be some small administration fee to view, but they cannot refuse it as it is considered to be a public document. The building certificate will detail materials used in the construction of that dwelling. I have a 3 bedroom brick veneer property at Colyton NSW 2760 and a few years ago I applied to view the original building certificate through Penrith City Council. I logged on to their website, filled out a form, posted and with a money order, and attended their office many days later and viewed the original building certificate from 1979 when the dwelling had been built. My suspicions were correct, the bathroom walls are asbestos, as is the eaves boarding and 2x gables on the concrete tiled roof. My family and many of my friends had been very surprised as it’s a typical brick veneer house built in 1979 quite modern with clay brick and tiled roof, but that surprise is the whole idea we need to get out there to people to be more vigilant and aware of this stuff. From 1989 till 1999, from when I had been 9 till 19, I resided with my fokes in a weatherboard dwelling not far from here and they sold that house in 1999 (thanks god for that!), however as it had a garage with asbestos walls and an asbestos roof and a shed with same as well as a/c (asbestos cement) walls in the bathroom, even though i cant remember we ever disturbed it, i still went to my GP a few years ago for an Xray and so did my mother and father to test for presence of asbestos in the lungs, all came back good and negative. Hope this helps a little. I’ve also noticed that if people want to remove asbestos, they are better off managing their own projects and thus selecting their own asbestos removal contractors. If you let someone else manage your whole bathroom or kitchen renovation, the risk is that they may utilise the cheapest or lowest cost asbestos removalists. With the 2 quotes I received, I have done some research and selected the more expensive one as I can be assured that the asbestos from my property wont be dumped illegally putting people at risk and that it will be a proper full job not half baked at risk of leaving dust or fibres behind.

184. Sara Says:
     February 23rd, 2012 at 2:02 am

     Hi Jeff,
     Thank you for such a great website! I have recently been offered a house from NSW Department of Housing, it is a brick home with new paint and what appears to be a new kitchen, it also has new carpet. I have a 3 year old and I am so worried that their may be asbestos dust around as a result of these refurbishments. Also, inside some of the newly painted walls have the wooden battens, does this guarantee its asbestos? I am so paranoid about this dreaded stuff!! Any advice or info would be very much appreciated.

185. Ingrid Says:
     February 26th, 2012 at 5:32 pm

     Hi, great information! I have a 2 year old and am renting an old renovated beach shack from the asbestos era. I have read there may be asbestos in pipes and gutters- ours are in a pretty poor state, cracked, pealing paint etc, some joiners have fallen off. Should I be concerned? Thanks a lot

186. Valerio Says:
     February 27th, 2012 at 8:52 pm

     Hi Jeff
     My brother in-law has dug up some pipe’s in the back yard stamped on it is FIBROLITE DRAIN PIPE G CLASS 2400 (in green), can you tell me if it contains asbestos ?

187. Jeff Says:
     February 28th, 2012 at 9:43 am

     Hi Valerio, yes that’s asbestos. Made by Hardies and probably contains brown asbestos. Please send me a pic if you have time and send to jeff@asbestosremovalguide. Jeff.

188. Tricia Says:
     March 4th, 2012 at 5:49 am

     Hi jeff!

     Thanks for the great website. I am renovating a bathroom in our 1982 built home the tub surround was original to the house and I didn’t know if these contained asbestos materials. If you could let me know if they were using it Tunis purpose at the time I would appreciate it.

     Thanks,

     Tricia

189. Shorn Says:
     March 6th, 2012 at 6:38 pm

     Hi Jeff, Our builder just took down a wall he said was not asbestos, there is no writing on the back, and the front has a racked affect and was very heavey is this asbestos product, the rest of the walls are burnie board including the bathroom. It is a 60′s house.

190. B Says:
     March 9th, 2012 at 11:38 am

     Hi Jeff,

     Thanks for providing a site like this.

     I have moved into a 1930s cottage in Canberra. The facia on the eaves is rotting on the corners but the eaves themselves look ok although a little weathered where the facia is rotting. On that basis I’m assuming the eaves are asbestos. Some paint is also flaking away from the eaves in a couple of places and some holes have been drilled in what appears to be an attempt at letting water out of the eaves. I’m replacing the gutters and facia with colourbond and my question is should I also get the eaves replaced at the same time, or is it an option to just repaint the eaves once the gutters and facia are up?

     There is also some textured/bumpy paint in the stand alone toilet on the walls and ceiling and in the roof of then kitchen. This paint or coating is relatively soft. Could this also contain asbestos?

     Thanks
     B

191. Jeff Says:
     March 9th, 2012 at 9:57 pm

     Hi B, I agree with your suspicions, the eaves probably are asbestos considering the age of the house. The best option would be to replace the eaves with modern HardiFlex and then repaint, unfortunately this is probably also the most expensive option. But…Check-out how much needs to be replaced and painted, it might be not be as expenive as you think and has the advantage of ridding your property some of the asbestos (a bonus at sale time if you ever decide to sell).

     The alternative, is repainting the existing asbestos. Don’t water blast it whatever you do as this will release asbestos fibres! Also don’t scrape any loose paint with a paint scraper or wire brush as this also may release asbestos fibres. What you can do is wipe it with a damp cloth, to remove any mould or dirt…and then, use a sealer/binder to paint over the flakey area. After that, you can procede to paint.

     Some of the textured paints prior to 1980 did contain asbestos! But as you say it’s relatively soft, I’d have a guess it’s a modern water based acrylic textured paint applied with-in the last 10-15years. If you can find out when it was painted, then that would be helpful. If you have any doubts, take a sample to be lab tested to be sure.

     Jeff.

192. Jeff Says:
     March 9th, 2012 at 10:11 pm

     Hi Shorn, I can understand your concern…and not every trademan is an asbestos identification expert either. Certainly being a 1960′s home it is well within the asbestos ‘timezone’,and makes me suspicious as well. Your welcome to send me photos (of sample of the material) and I can take a look for you: jeff@asbestosremovalguide.com

193. Jeff Says:
     March 9th, 2012 at 10:21 pm

     Hi Tricia, Assuming the tub surround is some fibre cement product (not brick or concrete) I’d be on alert for asbestos here, as this in the cross over period (to cellulose based fibre cement products). I’d put a bet on that it is asbestos..so use caution. You may need to get someone to confirm the composition of it before you procede with your renovation… or send a sample off to the lab.

     Jeff.

194. Jeff Says:
     March 9th, 2012 at 11:40 pm

     Hi Linda..(from 15 Feb), Sorry for late reply. You’re right, it’s probably not worth spending a great deal of money renovating a place like this as that same money could be put towards building / buying a new house. However, it’s good keep it well maintained, as it just makes life a lot more pleasant when living in an older asbestos house.

     Though I’m not a big fan of tiling over asbestos (as this leaves an unrevealed danger for future renovators), it might be the way to go in your situation. Leave a warning note if you ever sell.

     Alternatively,depending on how much Tilux needs to be removed, as this might be worth considering, removing it yourself, and ridding your kitchen of it for good. If you take the precautions and feeling confident, (dust mask, disposable overalls, tools, PVA water solution and black plastic and tape) you can DIY. You could also consider hiring a HEPA vaccum cleaner to be clean up any dust in between the wall (left over from constuction possibly). A small sheet of tilux is in the realm of DIY asbestos removal. Once this is done, you can plan the taps, sink and cupboards a little better without being compromised…Though watchout the project doesn’t become too large now! Ultimately I think this is the best way, but I can understand for not wanting go this route also.

     About removing the cupboard,sink & taps: When you remove the sink, taps & cupboard, provided you don’t crack any of the Tilux, the risk is relatively low. Mop up any of the general dust from behind the cupboard & sink with a damp cloth to be sure. Any peeling paint over tilux or asbestos, seal with PVA glue & water solution, as with any bare unpainted asbestos that is exposed. Though this is low risk, it’s good to be sure.

     Any unsealed edges of the tilux you should be sealed with paint or PVA glue water solution also to be sure it doesn’t release fibres during renovation.

     You can seal the cracks in the tilux with a water based flexable gap filler such as ‘No more gaps’ etc if you choose to go that way.

     Replacing rotted window frames: Wood should carefully removed making sure to not to crack the asbestos sheeting. If sheeting is cracked, seal it immediately with a sealer-binder. Edges of the asbestos sheeting should also be sealed with sealer-binder prior to installation of new window frames. Have dust mask ready if things go amiss.

     Finally, many houses across Australia are similar to yours (mine included).. They are not so much of a death trap if treated carefully…and a house is home, which is good. However we should think about the men who worked in the asbestos mines, the workers in the asbestos factories, and the builders who constructed our asbestos houses many years ago..many who in time, paid the ultimate price.

     Jeff.

195. Jeff Says:
     March 9th, 2012 at 11:53 pm

     Hi Ingrid (from Feb 26): The risk is relatively low by merely staying in your property. Provided you don’t distub any of the asbestos, it should be ok. You can seal any of the edges of the fibro with PVA glue to be sure.

     Jeff.

196. B Says:
     March 10th, 2012 at 7:35 am

     Jeff,

     Thanks for your reply. great advice.

     If I was to get the eaves replaced by a licensed asbestos removalist with a good rep is there still a high danger of fibers being released when the old eaves are removed? if it is fairly low risk I’d prefer to have them out but if there will be fibers everywhere I’m thinking repaint. Cost isn’t my main concern more the safest option.

     Cheers
     B

197. Jeff Says:
     March 10th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

     Hi B, The services of professional asbestos removalist should ensure there is a minimal release of asbestos fibres into surroundings and virtually nil remaining asbestos.
     For example, a good removalist will:

     * Prepare first by laying down a plastic drop sheet under the job to catch any pieces.
     * They will cordon off the whole area whilst the job is in progress.
     * They will use safety equipment (dust masks, disposable overalls, gloves, boots, hard hats)
     * They will have a encapsulant on hand in case of breakage (like a PVA glue-water mix)
     * They will keep breakage to an absolute minimum.
     * They will wrap up the removed asbestos sheeting in plastic and seal it with duct tape.
     * They will mark any asbestos waste as hazardous.
     * They will do proper clean up with HEPA vacuum cleaner (if needed).
     * They will dispose of the drop sheet, disposable overalls, dust masks along with the asbestos waste.
     * They make make sure asbestos waste is transported and taken to an approved disposal site for asbestos.

     This is just a quick guide, no doubt there are other aspects to a good asbestos removalist such as insurance also.

     Also, you may need to consider that a good removalist only does asbestos removals, to have the sheets replaced with Hardiflex, you then need to get your regular tradesmen / builder in, to finish the job.

     Jeff.

198. Jason Kovacevic Says:
     March 10th, 2012 at 5:22 pm

     Hi B,
     just wanted to share some additional info with you on some cost savings for when you re-sheet following removal of the asbestos, it sounds like your in a similar scenario as my property with asbestos eaves 1979 build brick veneer. Most handymen will also do the re-sheeting for you, in your case, re-fitting Hardiflex eaves boarding or some other non asbestos material. I contacted one recently and he told me that for about $500-$600, he will install the new eaves boarding and the guttering and the fascia board (I’m going to be replacing the guttering and will install fascia as at present, the guttering is one of those special types that sits on the end of the eaves). I’m also going to have professional asbestos removalists remove my bathroom walls as they are asbestos, and 2 asbestos gables on the concrete tiled roof. The same handyman can install all of those replacements, that is, re-sheet the bathroom with ordinary plaster and installation of non asbestos gables replacement. As Jeff was saying, you should manage your own project like I will be and source professionals for asbestos removal that only do asbestos removals. Don’t go for the cheapest of the cheapest. Do your research. Does the company have a website, are they involved with any other government or commercial work, etc etc. Let them come to your place and quote you and when they quote you, you can ask what kind of processes they follow and you can scrutinise it with the criteria that Jeff has mentioned above.

199. Jason Kovacevic Says:
     March 11th, 2012 at 6:32 am

     Hi B,
     also something I forgot to add, handymen will not be involved in the supply of any of the replacement materials generally, so like me, if you elect to have them install it, you will need to source and have the material supplied. With the high Aussie dollar (hoping it stays this way so Aussies get the good value we deserve for our money when we travel overseas, I know many of you will disagree), it shouldn’t be too expensive. Get the measure of existing eaves boarding, the asbestos ones, as they come out, and you know what size of replacement to search for when you go shopping. Not to bag products here, but to tell you the truth, in 2007 I installed a leaf gutter screen system for the guttering here. Colyton NSW having a lot of clay soil, I found during extremely heavy rain that the leaf gutter screen was actually greatly sending a lot of water over the edge (not into the gutters) and water pooling on the ground. I ended up removing the leaf gutter system in 2010 as it’s simply not workable in heavy rain, too much water simply pools right over and straight onto the ground!

200. Sara Says:
     March 19th, 2012 at 5:50 pm

     Hi Jeff,

     Thanks for such a great website.

     I have just moved into a NSW Department of Housing house and am concerned in may contain asbestos. The house was build in 1963 so it’s well within the Asbestos era. The bathroom has the wooden batterns on the walls, however it appears to have been renovated, do the batterns guarantee it’s asbestos? Also under the eaves I have discovered a crack in the sheeting, should I be concerned? The house is brick but has some cladding near the front door.

     Thanks so much

     Thanks

201. Jeff Says:
     March 19th, 2012 at 9:44 pm

     Hi Sara, You’re correct, the house is certainly in the asbestos timezone period and should you immediately suspect any fibre cement as containing asbestos.

     Sounds like you might have brick veneer house, that is, bricks on the ouside & wooden frame on the inside. The battens sure do sound like the typical Tilux(or other asbestos sheeting)-batten-plasterboard combination that was a popular contruction method for bathrooms back then. There’s no guarantee that your particular bathroom has asbestos containing sheets as it may have been retro fitted in the 90′s with asbestos free sheeting…but if you’re sure the bathroom walls are fibre cement, then I’d designate them as possible asbestos containing sheets.

     The bathroom should be quite safe as it is and doesn’t pose a health risk. If you were contemplating renovating it, then you’ll need to take steps to positively identify the material and then take appropriate action.

     The small crack in the eaves should not posed any risk and would quite easy to seal with some sealer/binder or paint to be sure.

     Jeff.

202. Sara Says:
     March 20th, 2012 at 8:34 am

     Thanks so much Jeff,

     So should I also suspect al internal walls are asbestos? Such as in the lounge room etc it appears to look like plasterboard and has no batterns in the plasterboard in the other areas of the house

203. Jeff Says:
     March 20th, 2012 at 7:49 pm

     Other likely places you might find asbestos fibro is in the laundry, the toilet and parts of the kitchen. It’s likely the lounge room is plasterboard as you suspect, plasterboard did tend to give a better finish for walls and ceilings than fibro, so consquently plasterboard was used in loungerooms, bedroom and dining rooms. Jeff.

204. Trudi Says:
     April 1st, 2012 at 11:49 am

     Does ‘Bevelux’ sheeting contain asbestos? Stamped on back of sheeting lining bathroom and possibly most of the house … I think it is a’kit home’ of some kind … Feel frame and ‘fibro’ sheeting can send photo if required

205. Trudi Says:
     April 1st, 2012 at 12:16 pm

     I am demolishing an old bathroom to extend the kitchen and dining room … So most of the walls need to go … They are part of a steel frame ‘kit home’? I was hoping to have the job done by my builder… But do not want to put anybody at risk.. My previous renovations the builder has been very blasé and just knocked walls down etc in retrospect I am thinking these walls would also have been bevelux/ containing asbestos? And they probably exposed themselves and me!! I have read your info … Very helpful and think that probably builder could remove taking all this precautions… How can I ensure whilst removing sheeting the ‘dust’ doesn’t travel to the rest of the house ?
     I am also recalling as child of the 60′s the renovations my father did and how I ‘helped’ and played with the big ‘fibro cutters’ unknowingly my father put me and himself at risk… I guess we of that era are all possible mesothelioma patients? The recent death of Lincoln Hall has raised awareness again …. He helped build a cubby with his faster as child …And survived his near’death on Everest only to lose his life to mesothelioma ….at only 56…. So tragic.

206. Trish Says:
     April 2nd, 2012 at 6:03 am

     Please people do not take any risks at all with material which may contain asbestos. My father who is now 87 and up until recently was a very fit healthy person has now been diagonised with asbestosis and lung cancer caused by asbestos. He worked back in the late sixties and early seventies on Qld housing commission houses painting them which were all fibro constructed. This horrible disease can take up to 40-50 years before it shows itself. He is taking legal action for compensation, although it will not save his life, we all believe James Hardie should be held accountable for what they knowningly did.

207. David Says:
     April 2nd, 2012 at 7:42 am

     HI Jeff,

     I removed some cement sheets from the exterior of our 3rd bedroom when renovating. I went ahead because the first sheet had a clear Aust Standards code and a 2006 date code, but once removed it seemd to have a mixture of sheets. Most of them have no markings except the numbers 22 39 83 printed in what resembles the old dot matrix printer style. Is it possible that the ’83′ stands for 1983 or are they just random numbers?
     The house is a 1880′s cottage which has had fibro extensions in the 70′s and 80′s and this room seems to have been the last one added.
     Thanks David

208. Elaine Says:
     April 3rd, 2012 at 1:32 pm

     I have just bought a house which the building inspector says has ‘potentially asbestos cement sheet lining’ in the laundry and toilet. It has been newly painted so my understanding is that if we leave it alone it will be ok. If we wanted to cover this up with new sheeting would it be safe to dampen the walls, put the new sheeting up against the old sheet and then drill through both?
     Thank you

209. Jeff Says:
     April 5th, 2012 at 10:23 pm

     Hi Trudi,

     Yes Bevelux does contain asbestos. Treat it with caution just as you’d do with any other asbestos containing fibro.

     With your previous bad experience with a builder, you might consider calling in specialist asbestos removalist to take care of the bevelux (and any other asbestos fibro). Though this might cost a little extra, you can be sure at least the job has been done properly. A good removalist will seal off the work area (that is an air tight seal so no fibres can travel through to the rest of the house). Final clean up, after the asbestos has been removed, will be done with a HEPA vacuum cleaner.

     It’s quite a common story…parents doing renovation and exposing themselves and children to asbestos dust. I recall my father doing something similar during the 1970′s, cutting fibro sheeting with cutters and angle grinders. And yes experts are predicting a new wave of mesothelioma sufferers due to this. With this in mind, we must be vigilant to every last piece of asbestos is safely dipsosed of (at least in Australia).

     Jeff.

210. Jeff Says:
     April 5th, 2012 at 10:40 pm

     Hi Trish, thanks for the comment. Best of luck with any compensation claims for your dad. I guess QLD housing commission (or it’s modern equivalent) could also be partly to blame on this one as well. Make contact with your local asbestos compensation lawyers and solicitors on this one.

     Jeff.

211. Jeff Says:
     April 5th, 2012 at 10:56 pm

     Hi David, this is one of the most frustrating aspects of identifying flat asbestos fibro sheeting from the celluose based products. Often the numbers are production and batch numbers which resemble prodction dates and times. The print type does indicate it’s a modern production, probably something from the 1980′s onwards…but there there still is a chance it contains asbestos from the cross over period in the early 1980′s. That is when asbestos was phased out and replaced with the celluose fibre based products. I’d recommend exercising caution on this one, and perhaps sending off a sample to lab tested..or.. treat the sheeting as containing asbestos just to be sure. If you’re DIYing this and it’s a small job, it might not be too hard to remove this safely, taking the required precautions anyway.

     Jeff.

212. Jeff Says:
     April 5th, 2012 at 11:43 pm

     Hi Elaine, I always have a preference to removing asbestos where possible rather than covering it over (which can be a danger to future renovators or builders)then replace with Hardiflex. This way is more expensive but is safer in the long run.
     However, it’s possible you can simply glue new sheets of Hardiflex over the old fibro using ‘Liquid Nails’ (or similar) without drilling any holes (thus eliminating the possibity of creating dust). This might work well if the sheets are not to big and are lower down where they can be held in place till the glue dries.

     I’d recommend not drilling holes for this situation.

     Jeff.

213. Elaine Says:
     April 6th, 2012 at 10:35 am

     Thank you Jeff for your comments and for the great service you provide.

214. Meg Says:
     April 6th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

     Hello,
     Our home was built in 1985 – 1986 we are renovating our bathroom. Around the bath, under the tiles there is some cement sheeting with a green stamp on it with the letters A B. Would this be asbestos?
     The walls in the bathroom are not the same material, but they also have some faint green print on it, but I cannot make out what it says.

215. lozo Says:
     April 9th, 2012 at 2:30 pm

     I have a house built in 1991 and there’s a sheet in the laundry that was cut about 8 years ago to put in central heating, and the sheet has on it (I can’t see it all) ES-VILLA and what appears to be an E, but it’s against the board, and can’t see the rest of it. Does anyone know if this has asbestos in it?

216. Desiree Says:
     April 10th, 2012 at 10:34 am

     Hi there

     We’re looking at a property to renovate where we are extending out from what looks to be fibolite in a fat weatherboard style. House is from the 70s. It is in very good condition but if and when we were to reclad, can you reclad over the top, or do you need to remove the whole thing and then wrap the place in plastic while you do it? Presumably joining our extensions to the fibrolite wall with a product that looks similar shouldn’t present too many problems?

217. nadia Says:
     April 10th, 2012 at 8:31 pm

     There is a PDF of the Hardie’s asbestos products and extra info at asbestosindustry.asn.au

218. Elizabeth Says:
     April 11th, 2012 at 6:30 pm

     Hello,
     We own a 1930s double brick home with a 1950s upper extension, made from what one builder identified as most likely being ‘hardiplank’. We had been reconsidering repainting the house, and most of the upper floor windows need replacing. This is a New england style home with very steep roof. I am firstly concerned that this plank material might contain aspestos, and am not sure how to approach cleaning and painting it. Secondly, the windows and some fascia boards have fungal rot and must be replaced. What is the danger of removing the windows and refitting them, and perhaps releasing aspestos fibres? One builder suggested simply placing colourbond over the fascias, and recladding the top with vinyl cladding – but the latter would look cheap. The cladding is cut into wide sheets – not thin – like currently available materials. I thought repainting would look nicer.

219. Jeff Says:
     April 14th, 2012 at 9:24 pm

     Hi Meg,

     Although, asbestos was generally being phased out of fibre cement sheet in this time, it’s possible your bathroom sheeting could contain asbestos. Also in this period, sheeting like this tended to have stickers attached to the back side indicating whether or not it contained asbestos to make it clear. The A B print I’m still not sure.. this could be any either a grading mark, or other production code.

     Also take into account, the sheeting may have been ‘New Old Stock’ that is..unused stock that was stored for several years before being used, the old stock being asbestos variety. So I’d recommend taking caution with the sheeting in your bathroom at this stage.

     Jeff.

220. Jeff Says:
     April 14th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

     Hi Lozo, I suspect it might be Hardies Villaboard what you have there. The house being constructed in 1991 would be unlikely to contain asbestos.

     Jeff.

221. Jeff Says:
     April 14th, 2012 at 11:33 pm

     Hi Desiree,

     You can clad over the asbestos, though I’m an advocate of removing the darn stuff for good, that way any future renovators won’t need to deal with it and potentially be exposed.

     But is up to you to clad over the existing asbestos, removing the the asbestos and disposal will be more expensive unfortunately and yes if you do it yourself, you’ll need all the safety equipment and black plastic to wrap it up.

     If you decide to keep the existing asbestos, be careful where the extension meets the old asbestos not create a dust by drilling or cutting the asbestos sheeting.

     Jeff.

222. Jeff Says:
     April 14th, 2012 at 11:34 pm

     Hi Nadia, thanks for the links. Some great stuff there.

223. Jeff Says:
     April 15th, 2012 at 10:59 am

     Hi Elizabeth,

     Your concerned is right, being an older style house and the knowing the condition of the window frames is poor I’d say this house is quite old and it’s highly likely the HardiPlank contains asbestos.

     Sounds like quite job here. I tend to think in this situation repainting the HardiPlank might be the way to go and replacing the wooden windows with either new wood or modern aluminium windows rather than do a reclad. A good builder should be able to replace the windows without disturbing the HardiPlank too much thus keeping the risk of releasing asbestos fibres to a absolute minimum.

     With painting preparation, avoid using a high pressure water cleaner, wire brushing or anything that will disturb the underlying asbestos in the HardiPlank. Ideally, if you can simply paint over the existing paint with a sealer / binder that would be the best way.. then paint over that. Hopefully also, the existing paint is not too flakey and peeling to do this.

     Jeff.

224. Damian Says:
     April 18th, 2012 at 8:37 am

     Hi,

     I am renovating a home that was built in the 60′s or 70′s. To date we haven’t come across any asbestos other than possibly the floor tiles in the kitchen. However, I’m wanting to clarify whether asbestos was used to in any roof insulation. The insulation in our ceiling is a yellow color and clumps together. I think it’s if rock wool or fibre glass. It certainly has a friable glass look about it. I took a sample and put a match to it – it went black and the fibre seemed to shrivel up, however, it didn’t really catch alight. Any information would be much appreciated.

     Thanks.

225. Rose Marie Delaney Says:
     April 19th, 2012 at 11:36 am

     Our house was built in 1983 according to council records.

     It has Beechwood home written on the back of the bricks in the garage, but is constructed of brick and tile with boarding under eaves (soffit?). The problem is that our roof is leaking causing the boarding to sag, the nails are falling out and it is falling down with the edges exposed in the corners.

     Could this board contain asbestos ? From what I have seen above, we are concerned. Does the non asbestos board make a dust if broken ? We had a tree damage an outside light and screwing it back caused fine, white dust to escape from the screw hole.

226. Johnny Says:
     April 20th, 2012 at 10:13 pm

     Hi Jeff,

     My house was built by Masterton in April 1990. Recently, my wife slipped whilst having a shower and her head bumped into one tile.
     I had to remove the tile which is glued to a sheeting. I tried to
     remove/clean that part of the sheet glued to the tile so I can reinstall the tile but in the process some powdery like substance
     came out, some layered and hard but easy to remove from the tile
     using a sharp object.
     Do you think the sheet contains asbestos ?

     Highly appreciate your advise as I am a worried I may have inhaled the powder and have contaminated the bathroom, clothes, etc in our house (if this is asbestos).

227. Jeff Says:
     April 20th, 2012 at 11:49 pm

     Hi Johnny,

     Being built in 1990 I’d expect this material not to be containing asbestos. I’ll have a guess the tile is glued to a compressed sheeting, something like Hardies Villaboard (or the 1990′s equivalant and looks a bit like Hardiflex) or even possibly CSR Aquachek (sort of like a wet area Gyprock which could explain the powder).

     In any case, I’d suggest you don’t have worry about there being asbestos. If you want to be absolutely sure, take a sample off to the nearest Lab to be tested.

     Jeff.

228. Jenny Says:
     April 21st, 2012 at 7:17 pm

     Hi Jeff

     Our sunroom (built in the 70s) had a leak in the roof last week. The insurance assessor believed the damaged sheeting (ceiling) wasn’t asbestos sheeting because the sheets had a bevelled edge and the type of nails used weren’t typically those used for asbestos sheeting (smaller head) Is this a naive deduction? We have asked for a test to be done before restorative work begins.

     Thanks

229. Jeff Says:
     April 21st, 2012 at 9:42 pm

     Hi Rose Marie,

     From your description, it sounds likes a fibre cement of some sort (as opposed to a wood based product). Both asbestos and celluose based fibre cement sheets will produce a white dust when drilled. Assuming its the original sheeting from 1983 I’d recommend caution be taken with this sheeting until it’s positively identified. 1983 is in the crossover period between asbestos and cellulose based sheeting…so it might be either. Your next step would be to identify the material by either taking a sample to an asbestos lab or calling in a asbestos expert or removalist to positively identify it, then take it from there.

     Jeff.

230. Jeff Says:
     April 21st, 2012 at 9:54 pm

     Hi Damian,

     The yellow colour and your description sounds like typical glass fibre insulation. Very common to see this in the roof spaces of many houses around Australia. No serious health concerns with glass fibre insulation.

     Jeff.

231. Jeff Says:
     April 21st, 2012 at 10:16 pm

     Hi Jenny,

     Regardless of what the assessor tells you, I’d immediately be cautious of the material if you say it was built in the 1970′s. Considering cellulose based fibre sheeting didn’t become available until the early to mid 1980′s, any fibre cement sheeting from the 1970′s is asbestos based.

     Always err on the side of caution until the material has been positively identified, then you can proceed with any repairs or renovation. A wise decision of yours to take a sample to your nearest asbestos lab for analysis. Better safe than sorry as the saying goes.

     Jeff.

232. Alisha Says:
     April 22nd, 2012 at 1:04 pm

     Hi,

     House was renovated in 1986, mostly brick and apparently gyprock. There are some wall cracks in some of the rooms and it looks like cardboard with white plaster behind it (I’m assuming this is gyprock). But in other areas (certain corners of walls) the paint is peeling and reveals a grey edge underneath which is very hard, is that also gyprock or some other material?

233. Rose Marie Says:
     April 22nd, 2012 at 7:30 pm

     Thanks Jeff.

     We will take your advice.

     Thank you for the site too.

     Rose Marie.

234. Seb Says:
     April 24th, 2012 at 11:58 am

     Hi Jeff.
     I am just curious as to how dangerous asbestos flues are.
     I know some school portables have these and you mentioned the blue asbestos not being phased out of pipes. Does that include flues?

235. lozo Says:
     April 26th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

     Hi Jeff,
     Thanks for your reply, I think I might paint over the sheet just in case,
     P/S sorry about the late reply.
     You are a champ mate

236. Jeff Says:
     April 28th, 2012 at 7:17 pm

     Hi Alisha,

     Sounds like there is a mixture of Gyprpock and fibre cement for the walls. Though you say the house was renovated in 1986, be on the look-out for parts of the original house construction, which might contain asbestos fibro… the hard grey material you describe could well be asbestos fibro left over(but it could also be new cellulose based Hardiflex also). I’d recommend you take caution if you plan do any renovation near this. If left alone, it’s quite safe, however if you want to make sure. paint any exposed parts with either a sealer-binder or PVA wood glue.

     Jeff.

237. Jeff Says:
     April 28th, 2012 at 7:55 pm

     Hi Seb,

     I know the asbestos flues well, my house has one!

     The main issues I see with asbestos flues are:

     1. Cracking of the asbestos pipe – from the constant heating and cooling process. This is a major pain, as the whole flue will probably need to be replaced if it cracks (or replace the whole heater). Probably the flue can be replaced with a stainless steel flue… if your really keen. The usual asbestos safety procedures apply when removing the old asbestos flue.

     2. If you think asbestos flues are bad, be on the look-out for coiled asbestos rope or other types of asbestos insulation that may be wrapped around the exhaust pipe that leads from the back of the heater, through the wall to the outside. This is friable asbestos and is extremely dangerous. Just don’t touch it. Friable asbestos may also be present in the heater itself, so take caution if moving or disposing of this unit.

     There is a good chance all flues contain either blue or brown asbestos. Blue and and brown asbestos had the right characteristics (long fibre length and strength) for flues and pipe manufacture. Therefore they should be treated with extra caution.

     Jeff.

238. Jason Kovacevic Says:
     April 28th, 2012 at 9:36 pm

     Just further to Rose Marie’s posting of the 21st of April, my property was built in 1979 just 4 years before yours and I’ve confirmed that the entire eaves boarding is asbestos for my place. Only a single board (out of the whole eaves) contains a red sticker which reads “Caution – Asbestos” which I located in 2007 when I had changed some roof tiles at the edge. I got the chance to ask one builder about this who states he’s been in the industry for the past 40 years, and he states that it was standard practice, in those days, to only put one warning sticker on one eaves board (not every), no particular standard or practice on what location of property, the sticker on mine is on the Eastern side front. Just with regard to your comment that your eaves boarding sagged following leaks from the tiles above, mine have never sagged though I’m quite sure that the leak has been there for several years (tiles at edge which i replaced in 2007). The worst that has happened to my eaves board is that the paint has bubbled a little in this location – see how strong the material is no wonder they used it for so long?! Though as Jeff said, be cautious and it is better to assume that yours is asbestos as it’s not right to assume it’s not asbestos because it sags, etc. You can have it tested by a lab or if in NSW, you can apply through your local council to obtain a copy of the building certificate from your property when it had been constructed – the materials used will be listed here including the eaves boarding.

239. Chris M Says:
     May 5th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

     Hi Jeff, I have 2 photos of some i am pulling down at my place (1981). The old laundry, and was lined around a timber lintel above the window and door. It looks like a layered cellulose type but the edges and fibres (some clumped). The back though is Hardiplank (going by your photos above). Can i send these 2 photos to you to have a look? Many thanks, Chris.

240. Rose Marie Says:
     May 9th, 2012 at 8:48 am

     I thought I might update the info on the eaves of my house. I went to the council (I am in NSW) and they were very helpful in assisting me to fill out the request to view the building certificate. So far it is a free service. I am waiting to hear back (it could take 3 weeks) but it is on microfish? so they warned me it may be difficult to read. But what a great service and I didn’t know about it before reading this site.

     We were able to access under the tiles in the North West garage area, but there was no sticker visable nor any markings from the manufacturer on the back of the boards. We can’t access all the eaves so we can’t go any further until we meet with council.

     In the meantime, (14) pine trees at the back of our property were removed. Guess what was hiding behind the corner tree – a large piece of asbestos fibro. We didn’t know it was there and we have lived here for 7 years. We feel that we are drowning in this stuff. Anyway, we notified our neighbour whose bedroom window is only 2 feet away from the board. He was mortified. There is also quite a lot of other half buried garbage in the corner. So where to from here ? We contacted council, who can’t help us on this matter but did advise us where to take the fibro for tipping. Our concern is that there might be more asbestos buried under the rubbish.

     Rose

241. Jeff Says:
     May 9th, 2012 at 9:46 am

     Hi Chris, send them through to jeff@asbestosremovalguide.com and I’ll take a look at them.

     Jeff.

242. Jeff Says:
     May 9th, 2012 at 7:00 pm

     Hi Rose, thanks for update. Good to hear your local council is of assistance,

     Many thanks to reader, Jason, who pointed out that original building plans can be accessed through the local councils in NSW.

     The left over sheet of fibro (and buried fibro) is quite a common story unfortunately. So much of this stuff is still around like this. I found similar flat broken fibro pieces recently while digging my sewerage pipes.

     Technically speaking, whilst it’s buried like this, it doesn’t pose a danger. The problem comes when the soil is disturbed due to some activity such as building, fencing, landscaping, plumbing or gardening for example.

     I wouldn’t recommend digging around searching for it unless there is some urgent reason to do so.

     The large sheet can be wrapped up in black plastic ready for disposal. Wet it down first and wear use a P2 respirator with disposable filter, then wrap it up and seal it with duct tape. While you have your respirator on, have search for any broken fragents visible on the surface and put them in strong plastic bag and seal it also. Ready for disposal.

     Keep an eye on that area of your yard in the future, if any more fragments become exposed, pick them up and bag them immediately.

     Hope this helps,

     Jeff.

243. Seb Says:
     May 10th, 2012 at 3:14 pm

     Hi Jeff.
     Thanks for all you responses.
     A final question:
     Is asbestos common in concrete?
     We have a square slab over a sewer pit, and while it appears to be regular concrete it got me wondering, so I thought I’d ask ya.
     Thanks.

244. Sarah Says:
     May 11th, 2012 at 10:46 pm

     We just had a new DVS (ventilation system) professionally installed in our 1960s house. Large ceiling vents in each of the children’s bedrooms – which involved cutting the ceiling. We’d had our outside eaves tested for fibrolite (positive), but I never worried about the ceiling as it is plain- not textured/glittery.

     Today, after removing a large disused vent in our living room ceiling the plasterer casually mentioned that we had a “really good ceiling – it’s fibre”. Surely this means fibrolite, which if installed in 1962 would probably contain asbestos? He didn’t think so & just used a drop sheet… and I stupidly (up until that point) had my baby only metres away.

     With the baby & two littlies in the house I’m now worried about the minor work we’ve had done in the last year that involved drilling or cutting into the ceiling (installing several new light fittings, DVS vents,removing the large old vent…).

     The pre-purchase building report we got on the house didn’t mention fibrolite ceilings – just eaves. How is the average family to know? Not one of the electricians or home ventilation system people we’ve had in mentioned asbestos or took any precautions.

     Is it just me, or does anyone else think there should be a better system out there for informing homeowners. Are building inspectors and tradespeople required to have compulsory asbestos training – and if not, shouldn’t they?

245. Seb Says:
     May 13th, 2012 at 7:20 am

     No, it’s not just you, Sarah. Many tradies seem to be the most dangerous aspect of asbestos existence as they’re either ignorant to the facts or they don’t care.
     VERY frustrating.
     I sympathise.

246. Jason Kovacevic Says:
     May 20th, 2012 at 6:59 pm

     Hi Sarah,
     the only way or system, as you stated in your posting, to better inform homebuyers, intending homeowners, etc, is if the government passes legislation announcing that asbestos has to be disclosed explicitly in any advertisement for a property to be sold, in any pest/building report, and to provide for penalties if deliberately ommitted. Laws to also require that this has to happen regardless of possible renovations over the years previously which may have seen asbestos replaced with non asbestos. Though to be honest Sarah, I don’t ever see that happening as real estate agents would be up in arms, vendors trying to sell would be up in arms, the government would fear that it would lead to widespread panic, etc, and I suspect it’s a risk they’d rather not take.
     As Seb stated, this ignorance factor of tradespersons summs it up, it’s that “you’ll be right” attitude that every tradie seems to have ingrained unto himself or herself in relation to asbestos and taking no precautions. The only way we can hope to change this culture or attitude will be with the government commencing on a mass media asbestos awareness campaign. Sadly, I don’t feel they will ever do this as they fear it will cause too much panic in the community.

247. Jason Kovacevic Says:
     May 20th, 2012 at 7:08 pm

     Sarah,
     just to exemplify this a little more, the reality shows on television where couples renovate older houses, houses constructed in asbestos’s heyday, name me one instance where you’ve either seen asbestos warnings given by the TV show to intending audiences as a precaution if people wish to renovate themselves, or, any one instance where the cameras showed the couple wearing any masks whatsoever, even those simple 50 cents Chinese shop masks, for any sort of protection. Doesn’t happen. Don’t let the truth get in the way of a good programme! Trouble is, the average Joe Blow is going to try the things he sees on this TV programme in that little old granny flat he has at the back of his house which happens to be full of asbestos and he won’t wear any masks, after all, why should he when he saw a television programme with a pretty similar structure being worked on an absolutely no warnings on asbestos and no masks – evidently, you’ll be right, mate!

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